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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by h3cate »

Blahah wrote: post #520
creatorbytes wrote: post #417

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That’s quite the straw man. We should separate an issue of moderation and actual motives of the platform itself. Did the platform have algorithms to make pro-capital storming posts ascend higher than other equally engaged posts? Did the owner/company make a call to violence? Did their platform spike in popularity in such a short time frame, they were unable to moderate to the same degree as other platforms? (Even Goo…

It really isn't a straw man. If clients or customers bring bad publicity to a company they can refuse them service. They can in fact refuse service for any reason that isn't discriminatory in many jurisdictions. Censorship has nothing to do with this. Any person can host a website from home, pay for a dedicated line, build their own datacenter, find a colo, host on a decentralised network, etc. Amazon is under no obl…

I must of missed the section of the parler site that said it was a hate group or terrorist organisation..

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Post by smolder »

enriquec wrote: post #42
valuearb wrote: post #34

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That’s not what that tweet says. So you admit your argument carries little weight without sensationalizing it?

The tweet says: "#Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asian region that has to be removed and eradicated: it is possible and it will happen." Do you think that is not as bad as what Trump has said?

They're not wrong that it's different, Israel and Jews are two different things. You can be against Israel without being and antisemite, though I wouldn't guess that's the case here.

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Post by h3cate »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #856
mmmmmbop wrote: post #849

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> For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. I honestly have no political axe to grind here, but I distinctly remember how 4 years ago it was a legitimate talking point on the losing side that 'faithless electors' (or 'Hamilton electors') should step up to deny Trump the presidency ([1], [2]). Michael Moore offered to pay the resulting fines for any Republica…

To be fair, Michael Moore didn't try to assassinate the Vice President and hold Senators for ransom.

Were either of those things attempted?

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Post by heleninboodler »

lolc wrote: post #822
bob1029 wrote: post #630

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Best mitigation is to involve as few 3rd parties as possible. Find more obscure allies in the space who are not motivated (controlled) by public perception and political gains. Consider building your own tools and technologies to replace 3rd parties. For instance, the load balancing and DDOS protection products sold by Cloudflare are not the effects of some ancient mystical artifact that we could never hope to emulat…

I have no reason to believe that Parler has the means to build infrastructure for DDOS mitigation that compares in any way to Cloudflare. If you're not a multihomed AS, you can't even begin to offer what Cloudflare offers. > But, the more of your stack you have under your exclusive physical control the better. Where's the cutoff? Lay your own fiber to your own datacenters? At some point economy dictates that you rent…

I'd say if they don't have the means to stand on their own and build all their own mitigations against this sort of attack, then they've bit off more than they can chew.

If their goal is to be a free-speech-above-all platform that is definitely going to piss off both infrastructure providers and the world of people who might attack them, then they better have the technical capabilities to back that up or they're going to get torn to shreds. Nobody else is required to help them in their misguided (in my opinion) endeavor.

And yes, it's possible that such a grand plan takes more resources than they actually have. Not anyone else's problem.

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Post by avianlyric »

chmod600 wrote: post #586
throwaway5752 wrote: post #471

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It is hard to separate the fact that they are distancing themselves from a fascist, white-supremacist platform that was instrumental in a near-overthrow of the US government. And even if you think that's okay, this wasn't insurrection in response to oppression, it was an insurrection to overthrow an uncontested democratic result. I guess Parler is so radioactive that Amazon would rather be sued than continue to busin…

I don't think the Jan 6 insurrection was OK, or even close. My point is that the tools for organizing an insurrection are being removed, and that's at least a little scary. It's like fitting everyone with a shock collar and saying it will only be used against insurrectionists. The government will be a lot less worried about resistance, and the definition of "insurrectionist" is likely to move over time. It just doesn…

> My point is that the tools for organizing an insurrection are being removed, and that's at least a little scary.

Don’t think this is even vaguely true. We know that one of the primary tools of activists (or insurrectionists / terrorists depending on your point of view) in other countries are WhatsApp groups, and other encrypted chat platforms.

If one is organising a serious insurrection, then I believe one does not normally broadcast their plans to the enemy. That’s kinda strikes me as op-sec 101.

Only in a free and open society could you possibly hope to organise an insurrection in public, on broadcast platforms, without direct and immediate consequences brought down by the state. We must be so pampered to believe that the right to organise in public is a requirement insurrection.

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Post by h3cate »

deeviant wrote: post #910
zmb_ wrote: post #321

I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…

> However, now that the precedent is set, I would expect the bar to be lowered going forward. Why is that? In general, a slippery slope argument is a poor one. > Even for businesses that are not in such politically charged areas, I can easily imagine getting inadvertently tangled up in some popular issue and having vendors become targets of online activist I can imagine a lot of things, I'm sure you can too. But what…

They used to say the same thing about wiretaps. Now the government can enter your name into xkeyscore and have access to your life

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Post by [deleted] »

um_ya wrote: post #895
jandrese wrote: post #749

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Maybe it was the part where he directed an angry mob to the steps of the Capitol building?

I just don't understand the double standards. What about the antifa/blm mobs that swept the country these last few months? As a matter of principle, they would have to ban them as well.

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Post by sellyme »

mmmmmbop wrote: post #849
cactus2093 wrote: post #399

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> What are the best mitigations here, both technical and social? Vocally side with the popular issues, or try to stay completely out of them, to try to avoid becoming a target (e.g., social media presence)? For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of. I get the concern you're expressing, but not everything is a s…

> For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. I honestly have no political axe to grind here, but I distinctly remember how 4 years ago it was a legitimate talking point on the losing side that 'faithless electors' (or 'Hamilton electors') should step up to deny Trump the presidency ([1], [2]). Michael Moore offered to pay the resulting fines for any Republica…

Also an outside observer, isn't the ability to do that the entire point of having electors in the first place? As terrible as the electoral system is, it wouldn't be illegitimate to use it for its intended purpose.

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Post by nameistaken »

um_ya wrote: post #895
jandrese wrote: post #749

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it was the part where he directed an angry mob to the steps of the Capitol building?

I just don't understand the double standards. What about the antifa/blm mobs that swept the country these last few months? As a matter of principle, they would have to ban them as well.

Sigh.

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Post by obviouslynotme »

LockAndLol wrote: post #905
obviouslynotme wrote: post #727

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If AWS is dropping you, then Facebook, Twitter, and Google probably already have. Stripe, Cloudflare, and Paypal are probably doing the same. If you try to continue, Visa, MasterCard, and your ISP will shut you down next. This is the world we live in now. You can be removed from commerce by a unanimous decision that you will be told never happened. I am just glad I can shut people down hard now when they say, "If you…

Why bit chute? Aren't they just a peertube alternative?

They host content that YouTube will not. That seems to be enough. Peertube is federated, and I haven't seen them attack a federated service, yet.
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