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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by lillecarl »

nsxwolf wrote: post #816

Who decided that Twitter does a "good enough job" at moderation? The platform was used to organize riots all summer, unchecked. I can find MAGA insurrectionists talking about violence with a simple search right now. Was Parler shut down simply because they don't moderate at all? Signal doesn't moderate at all, either. Because they can't. It's by design. Why don't we go after Signal? Out of sight, out of mind? Is that…

> Out of sight, out of mind? Is that it?

This coupled with knee-jerk actions once something surfaces reflects modern society quite well indeed.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by lolc »

bob1029 wrote: post #630
zmb_ wrote: post #321

I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…

Best mitigation is to involve as few 3rd parties as possible. Find more obscure allies in the space who are not motivated (controlled) by public perception and political gains. Consider building your own tools and technologies to replace 3rd parties. For instance, the load balancing and DDOS protection products sold by Cloudflare are not the effects of some ancient mystical artifact that we could never hope to emulat…

I have no reason to believe that Parler has the means to build infrastructure for DDOS mitigation that compares in any way to Cloudflare. If you're not a multihomed AS, you can't even begin to offer what Cloudflare offers.

> But, the more of your stack you have under your exclusive physical control the better.

Where's the cutoff? Lay your own fiber to your own datacenters? At some point economy dictates that you rent. And with Parler, I'd assume that that point comes sooner than later. I mean I don't know their funding situation, but I find it reasonable to assume that if they'd built a NOC first they wouldn't have gotten off the ground at all.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

cactus2093 wrote: post #399
zmb_ wrote: post #321

I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…

> What are the best mitigations here, both technical and social? Vocally side with the popular issues, or try to stay completely out of them, to try to avoid becoming a target (e.g., social media presence)? For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of. I get the concern you're expressing, but not everything is a s…

> For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of.

This is key advice that a lot of founders seem to forget. Capturing a capital is an extremely bold and risky action, which shouldn't be attempted by anyone with fewer than 4 or 5 high-production cities of their own (some of which ideally also having an Encampment district to support training siege units faster). I encourage new players to focus on obtaining a scientific or cultural victory instead, as these are more straightforward for beginners.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by paulnechifor »

ketamine__ wrote: post #155
MichaelRazum wrote: post #47

Just curios. How about uber, could they refuse to service employes from parler :) ? Or lets say refuse service some right wing people. I mean it is just a private company...

Apparently it depends on the country. Facebook deleted personal profiles of NSO group employees because they hacked WhatsApp but then an Israeli court ruled that was illegal. Sometimes Facebook does the right thing. I think Uber should refuse service to those added to the no fly list. Some of them aren't taking it so well: https://mobile.twitter.com/rayredacted/status/13483886011182...

All companies shutting them down without so much as a hearing in court will probably lead them to build parallel societies.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by timzentu »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #784
IanCal wrote: post #756

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a wild misrepresentation of the facts. That was the second of two tweets, that they are taking together. This was the other "The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” They explain the context and how these tweets are being int…

Ok, so it looks like the two tweets were: "The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!! "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th." I fail to see the issue with these tweets. He is not planni…

OK then add this to context, they had also just determined that pipe bombs had been located in 4 places (Capital area, RNC Headquarters , DNC Headquarters, and in a pickup truck bed). So if someone who was revered and you felt wrong enough to stage a potential coup or insurgence for wasn't going to be some place and still hadn't condemned your behavior, yet those who were permitted to do the wrong (in the mind of the insurgence) you were just given a green light and location. That is where it breaks down. He was also stating he was moving platforms, so then those who were prepared to perpetrate the violence would know where they could celebrate it with the person they felt had been wronged.

Now personally I took more umbrage with the fact that he hadn't been kicked off previously, I personally Don't think that the previous comments should have ever been allowed to be made on the platform since he should have been removed for TOS violations.

Also for those asking how this should impact businesses going forward, a smart company should have a mitigation plan in place for any similar issue. It would have been strange if this was the first occurrence, but just look back a few years for 8Chan. This isn't the first time, especially for an application that a bunch of the users had used since QAnon had gone there previously.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by cm2187 »

pixl97 wrote: post #531
nix23 wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>98 examples of Parler posts that "encourage and incite violence." Just imagine how much that would be in Facebook numbers? I think we can block Facebook too, no?

Facebook runs on AWS? No they have their own infra. Lesson of the day, if you're doing shady shit, own your own servers and stay off mine.

Though by nature the internet is an interconnected network of large tech companies. If the club has decided to ban you, even if you build your own datacenters, you may have trouble peering into anything useful.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by swiley »

zmb_ wrote: post #321

I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…

If you build your entire business on a platform controlled by one entity and they decide they don't like you then you better hope none of the debt is secured because that's the end.

It's surprising and disappointing how few people get this. It's like the idea that profit requires selling things for more than they cost.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by cm2187 »

zmb_ wrote: post #321

I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…

I find the "overnight" more shocking than terminating a contract. That they would be so callous toward a customer should make anyone think twice before signing up.

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Post by paulnechifor »

shrimpx wrote: post #366
swiperNoSwiping wrote: post #283

feels like the US people is asking for ruler like CCP, is it all what you want? Parler is likely not innocent, but why it's Amazon to take them down? Is that mean all these big companies can shutdown any customers on their platforms for some reasons they believed are right, but what if they use it to shutdown competitions?

Parlor is NOT Amazon competition.

It was coordinated behind locked doors with Google and Apple which are competitors.
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