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Post by BoorishBears »

Tarsul wrote: post #122
ekianjo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> e writing is just really cringeworthy Which games writing is not cringeworthy please?

well it depends on your definition of cringeworthy but there's for example a huge difference between new vegas (good, from Obsidian Entertainment) vs. Fallout 3 (well, could be worse actually, from Bethesda). Cyberpunk feels quite mainstreamy in that regard (meaning its writing is not up to par to less mainstreamy RPGs). Well, if we're on the topic: The writing actually is pretty bad. There's a lot of talking without…

The talking without saying anything killed me.

That and the weird way that V rarely uses the pronoun "I" or "we"

It's not "I need help"

It's "Need help"

Not "We're going to have time."

"Gonna have a hard time."

Doing it sometimes is one thing, it's a manner of speaking after all, but for anyone who hasn't played it, it's more jarring than it sounds.

I get the sense they were going for a quick talker vibe, but it just doesn't fit at all in so many places where they do it.

It makes it feel like you're listening to the VA do a quick read through of each line before they actually record the line...

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Post by seppin »

haunter wrote: post #32
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

I have the PS4 version (yes, base not Pro) and it's 900p-720p dynamically switching and 25fps, maybe 30 in better cases. Which is utter trash. It's like watching movies in 360p on Youtube. Or listening to music in 64kbsp. On top of that the story doesn't save the game either which is mediocre at best especially compared to what was promised. Then look at Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2 on the same console.

> I have the PS4 version (yes, base not Pro)

This game was not meant to be played on > 10 year old hardware. That's no excuse they shouldn't have released it at all on ps4, but still what did you expect ?

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Post by Strom »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #144

Where CDPR really screwed up is not targeting last gen consoles as the primary development target. PC gamer folks are going to have to put down their pitchforks for a second, and bear with me. From the business perspective if you want to make money you must target the lowest, most common, denominator. Game studios that do cross platform launches do the vast majority of their sales on console. It's not even close. Eve…

I'm not sure what the current sales are, but for pre-orders 59% were for PC.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-12-10-cyberpunk-...

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Post by alkonaut »

tester756 wrote: post #180
alkonaut wrote: post #174

Microsoft or Sony have a golden opportunity to come out as the champion of consumer protection here, by guaranteeing refunds if games don’t meet some quality standards. They could have independent quality reviewers (it works in almost every other industry) and make all contracts with publishers require the refund clauses. Perhaps ms/Sony could even sit on the money for a while after release (a few months?) to ensure…

didnt Sony do that?

Yes! Or, sort of at least.

I’d like what they did to be a formal promise with a proper process. A guarantee from Sony that “with our console you’ll never pay money for a broken game”. I don’t think they have a public “program” for it.

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Post by szczepano »

ryanklee wrote: post #178
szczepano wrote: post #152

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

Really sounds like your being a bit of an apologist. The game is such a mess, both in terms of bugs and the mismanagement of perception. CDPR should have never released the game if they had consumer's interests in mind. Another year or so and the game might have been ready.

I'm saying you can skip it and not buy it and if you bought it you can refund it, it's not a shame to not like something. We're not robots, we're people and each of us have different demands. Unless you're one of those junkies who want to play it now despite you don't like it. Nobody forces you to not wait a year. Fortunately we're not living in totalitarian society yet.

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Post by chundicus »

tstrimple wrote: post #118
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

Somehow I doubt Polish law is going to have much impact on the larger game industry.

Agreed. By "this" I actually (confusingly) was more so referring to the general negative feedback Cyberpunk has been receiving.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

ryanklee wrote: post #178
szczepano wrote: post #152

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

Really sounds like your being a bit of an apologist. The game is such a mess, both in terms of bugs and the mismanagement of perception. CDPR should have never released the game if they had consumer's interests in mind. Another year or so and the game might have been ready.

I do honestly think the devs would have preferred to keep the “when it’s ready” launch date and probably not release the game in its launch state.

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Post by b0rsuk »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #51

I looked into the coverage in the Polish media and it looks like this headline is blowing it out of proportion. Yes, we do have an agency here in Poland which, much as in many other first world countries, monitors consumer goods’ quality. But all UOKiK did is signal that they are going to be looking into the matter. Not exactly an investigation - more of an inquiry. One made from complaints from dissatisfied customer…

It's worth noting that Poland has no strong tradition of class action lawsuits, and consoles like Playstation 5 are not yet available. I mean, I can see one selling for the equivalent of $1208.

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Post by haskellandchill »

jjoonathan wrote: post #156
haskellandchill wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I've played it and is has routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character development. I was most disappointed that crafting is useless because I wanted to roleplay that skill tree. The game is so boring I've been playing Far Cry instead and Far Cry is trash. Coming from a Deus Ex background there is nothing there to Cyberpunk. However most people liked the game so what'…

Well I've played it and I love it. I'll agree with parts of what you said. If you want in-depth crafting, this isn't the game. If you want a sandbox, this isn't the game. If you want an immersive sim, this isn't the game. If you want hacking, this is the game. I don't mean the hacking mini-game, which is still better than most, I mean the fact that every major skill tree can be ruthlessly exploited by learning its ru…

I had trouble getting into the characters, especially Jackie. Outer Worlds characters drew me in much more but the gameplay was dry. I'll definitely go back to Cyberpunk when they turn on PS5 ray tracing.

Well the only side quests I got so far are go here and kill people grinds, but the bar is low. I consider a side quest interesting if it gives you some speech options or has some kind of immersion to the side quest environment. Having novel puzzle solving or forcing some kind of reasoning skills, revealing something fascinating about the world that adds depth to what is going on, those are great side quests.

There was definitely world building in the computer messages which was good. You can hack a computer to skip some side quest requirements, it's not bad. To me the world is kind of cliche and dreary, again contrast with the playful inventiveness of Outer Words sci-fi world.

Actually I started playing on hard but switched to normal and then got super bored because it was too easy. Hard was kicking my ass and I couldn't do anything but it does emphasize the hacking you are talking about and probably is how I would make the game interesting for me.

I got dejected after I ground out the money for the doctor who helps you and it had no impact on anything and realized my craft deconstruction perk was tearing up valuable sellable things and not giving much XP (you can't turn it off). If it had scaled XP to value that would have been cool.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

munk-a wrote: post #147
okprod wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also dragged out the release for a long time, all while continuing to build hype, like Anthem.

I think CDPR made a lot of serious marketing mistakes but hype building is largely organic - rando game reviewers end up being a large portion of the momentum behind hype trains.

The cyberpunk game subreddit was its own worst enemy: people were winding themselves up with hype that was never ever going to be even remotely filled, people speculating and dreaming about features and stuff that was patently never going to happen, etc.
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