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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by this_user »

Sodman wrote: post #43
jgust wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a tragedy of the commons situation with gamer enthusiasts acting against their own best interest. If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games", I don't see how any personal responsibility campaign has any chance of working for things impacting society at large such as climate change, overfishing, public health, etc.

I don't think it's fair to blame this on gamers. With all of the hyperbole over various games being "broken", most people that are hyped about a specific game are just going to buy it and see for themselves. Unless it's literally unplayable (as may actually have been the case here), most people won't refund it. This has been going on for years and years, it's just getting worse over time. It's always some variant of…

There is also the component of building hype via marketing in order to generate pre-orders. With CP2077, they had made back the entire development costs immediately after launch. This means, refunds notwithstanding, that by the time your customers notice the state the game is in, you are already profitable, and have all the time in the world for PR damage control and patches.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by alacombe »

amyjess wrote: post #85
alacombe wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a freaking game, for heaven's sake... By the same standard, Peter Jackson deceived me and stole 9h of my life with the turd which is "The Hobbit".

It's not about the game being bad, it's about CDPR lying to their shareholders.

Don't make it about consumers then.

Though, I'm fairly certain shareholders and Board members are the first to blame in this mess, by pushing/forcing the company to release an unfinished/unpolished game.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by pawelos »

haunter wrote: post #32
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

I have the PS4 version (yes, base not Pro) and it's 900p-720p dynamically switching and 25fps, maybe 30 in better cases. Which is utter trash. It's like watching movies in 360p on Youtube. Or listening to music in 64kbsp. On top of that the story doesn't save the game either which is mediocre at best especially compared to what was promised. Then look at Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2 on the same console.

I don’t think it is fair to compare it to Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2.

Both games have worlds that are mostly empty, with few buildings here and there. As far as I remember, RDR2 dropped to ~25FPS in Saint Denis on my PS4 just after launch (not sure now), and Saint Denis is tiny comparing to Night City.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by mywittyname »

caconym_ wrote: post #18
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

I played ~80 hours and enjoyed it more than any RPG I've played since the original Mass Effect trilogy. It looked great too, at medium settings on my 4 year old gaming PC. It does seem like there were some legitimate issues on consoles, but I don't even know how seriously to take that given the insane disproportionality of the criticism that even the PC version has been getting. I saw somebody on Reddit seriously sug…

> I saw somebody on Reddit seriously suggesting that Steam should pull the game like Sony did, and it's like, what?

I'm starting to think that some major players are capitalizing on the situation by bankrolling marketing and negative PR. CDPR stock has fallen dramatically and now they are facing punitive action from governments that on a level I've never heard of for a game studio.

I'm not apologizing for them. They should not have released what they did for the PS4. But I'm seeing a bunch of articles about how the number of players one steam has fallen by X% and lots of others stuff not typically reported about on a game.

I guess we'll see if they get acquired at a deep discount by Ubisoft or something.

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Post by surge »

cheschire wrote: post #105
Sodman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to blame this on gamers. With all of the hyperbole over various games being "broken", most people that are hyped about a specific game are just going to buy it and see for themselves. Unless it's literally unplayable (as may actually have been the case here), most people won't refund it. This has been going on for years and years, it's just getting worse over time. It's always some variant of…

I waited for the reviews. When they were over 90% I pulled the trigger. Now I realize I purchased a game that was reviewed on what it will eventually become a la No Man's Sky, not what it was on the day of review. Sure, the crashing didn't affect me, my configuration was more or less normal I guess. Instead what I got was a hollow game that has a lot of hooks ready for eventual expansion sometime in future patches. T…

Reviewers had the access media problem, it was discussed at length on the 1-up podcast. They can't be trusted, especially on AAA titles or they risk being shut out of preview copies on the next releases, which is bad for business. I just wait for user reviews, after a couple of weeks for the hype to die down and people to actually spend some time in it, then I generally look at the worse reviews first. Unless there's a compelling reason to have a game immediately (like its primarily online and all my friends are playing it), its better to be a patient gamer.

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Post by slfnflctd »

haskellandchill wrote: post #86
jjoonathan wrote: post #60

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> disclaimer: have not played it > routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character development Come on, man.

Well I've played it and is has routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character development. I was most disappointed that crafting is useless because I wanted to roleplay that skill tree. The game is so boring I've been playing Far Cry instead and Far Cry is trash. Coming from a Deus Ex background there is nothing there to Cyberpunk. However most people liked the game so what'…

> Far Cry is trash

Having recently played around with this series (3 and 5) for the first time in my life - since they were heavily discounted over the holidays - I have to say, for shooters they could be a lot worse. FC3 has clearly influenced other games that came out since. Production value is high, graphics are great, they run fine on 5+ year old computers and the stories are fun. I'm neither bored nor overly frustrated.

Really my only issue is the lack of non-lethal play options, but you can play stealth most of the time and it's a good challenge for me. Not a shill or anything, I was just surprised to be enjoying them.

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Post by mywittyname »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #55
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

IMO the real issue is less that it’s unfinished and more that the product at its best doesn’t seem to live up to its lofty expectations (disclaimer: have not played it and don’t intend to until it goes on sale, just watched others and read a good number of reviews). From what I understand it’s a fairly anodyne action-RPG, with routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character d…

I thoroughly enjoyed the plot and felt like Panam is up there on the list of top NPCs in gaming. Like, you genuinely feel like you're becoming friends throughout the missions.

I also thought Johnny was a really well executed. He really made me feel like some asshole is taking over my brain, and you slowly develop a bit of empathy with him and you can feel that he's doing the same with you.

Plus, the scene where you play a gig as Johnny is so awesome. I've never played a first person game where something like that was done. Looking out on that crowd of people, I really felt like a rockstar.

Yeah, the side missions were filler. And every NCPD job was identical. But they didn't feel any worse than Spiderman, and much better than FF7R (the cats...). You didn't even have to do any of them anyway. It was just something to occupy you if you wanted to run around and explore the city.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by tstrimple »

chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

Somehow I doubt Polish law is going to have much impact on the larger game industry.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

amyjess wrote: post #85
alacombe wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a freaking game, for heaven's sake... By the same standard, Peter Jackson deceived me and stole 9h of my life with the turd which is "The Hobbit".

It's not about the game being bad, it's about CDPR lying to their shareholders.

UOKiK is not concerned about shareholders, they might possibly fine CDPR for false advertising or violating customer rights in some way.

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Post by krzyk »

hcnews wrote: post #45
Reedx wrote: post #6

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It's mostly that the loudest, angriest voices tend to drown out everyone else.

Active steam users for this game dropped much faster than that of Witcher 3 (which was similarly/less flawed at launch) based on public steam data. So, there's lot of evidence behind the message. Anecdotally, the players I knew have stopped playing it altogether due to a variety of issues.

Well, it was quite obvious becasue of two reasons: 1. W3 players count was in few thousands (maybe 10 thousands) - so it had mostly hard core fans of the franchise 2. W3 main campain is ~51 hours, and CP2077 has campaing for 25 hours.

And also note, the massive amount of players of CP2077, 3x less is still few orders of magnitude more than W3 had.

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