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Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by 4ggr0 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:22 AM UTC

jackhack wrote: post #86

4ggr0 wrote: post #57

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I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need a gun. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective. Not trying to mock you, just seems like we have the same argument for our opposing views :)

why? Because the history books and graveyards (marked and unmarked) are full of examples of hundreds of millions of unarmed powerless peoples being marched off to their deaths by power-hungry dictators and their supporters. The authors of the American political system were exceedingly well educated and understood that a new American constitutional republic experiment where the people held the power would revert to a…

I guess the first problem is, that I am not from the US.

What you write makes sense, but it seems weird to me to justify having guns with a hypothetical, apocalyptical scenario. Sounds a bit like fear-mongering to me.

It's probably a cultural thing.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by jackhack » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #131

jackhack wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why? Because the history books and graveyards (marked and unmarked) are full of examples of hundreds of millions of unarmed powerless peoples being marched off to their deaths by power-hungry dictators and their supporters. The authors of the American political system were exceedingly well educated and understood that a new American constitutional republic experiment where the people held the power would revert to a…

I guess the first problem is, that I am not from the US. What you write makes sense, but it seems weird to me to justify having guns with a hypothetical, apocalyptical scenario. Sounds a bit like fear-mongering to me. It's probably a cultural thing.

Yes, it is precisely a cultural thing. America was formed as colonies declaring war against the strongest empire on earth, refusing to be ruled by a King and both occupied locally and abused from afar. The US Constitution and the balance of power between the three branches is designed to prevent consolidation of power in any one person because the government gains it's authority from the consent of the governed. (the people) And yes, as a final check against abuse of that power, the people have the means to overthrow. It is essential if free people are to remain free.

Most things seem hypothetical until they happen. Hundreds of millions of dead souls in the last century died from what was (at the time) a "hypothetical, apocalyptical scenario." And not only the death camps - think of how many people started their day normally, never knowing they would be murdered by a government by nightfall. History repeats itself so long as the basic flaws of human nature persist - and they will.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by rocketpastsix » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

therealdrag0 wrote: post #128

rocketpastsix wrote: post #66

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>BLM also used Molotov Cocktails, can't remember them being called bombs, because that would be a lie I guess. Lets see some proof of this.

Lmgtfy: - https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/alleged-molotov-cocktail-tosse... - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12596828/portland-protester-se...

lol the post and the sun are hardly paragons of journalism.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by slowhand09 » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 4:32 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #8

waihtis wrote: post #4

It was a terribly bad idea for the major tech platforms to go for the Trump ban right now. There’s a highy unstable force out there born specifically from the idea that they’re an oppressed and censored group of people, and this ban action is pouring a tanker of gasoline into an already raging bonfire. I get why it had to be done; the general public has never had any regard for second-order effects and big tech will…

Other way round: they've been talking this stuff up for decades. This is just the continuation of Waco and Ruby Ridge and Malheur and those guys who tried to kidnap a governor and the guy who blew up a telephone exchange and a dozen ""lone wolf"" mass shooters. And the "killdozer" guy. Eventually all the thousands of ""lone wolves"" who share the same ideas and politics and gun suppliers were going to get together. T…

deplatforming works - words of a true fascist

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by therealdrag0 » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

rocketpastsix wrote: post #133

therealdrag0 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmgtfy: - https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/alleged-molotov-cocktail-tosse... - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12596828/portland-protester-se...

lol the post and the sun are hardly paragons of journalism.

Okay let me open the first link and copy the name and google it for other sources:

- https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/2-lawyers-upstate-woma...

- https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-molotov-cocktail-suspect-sama...

Interestingly these do use the term bomb and explosive which contradict the comment you originally replied to. But it is true they are mere footnote stories.