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Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by OminousWeapons » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

patagonia wrote: post #76

loceng wrote: post #55

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It's a failsafe to have a chance to fight in case the government and enough of its military and commanders become tyrannical. Different systems (democratic vs. tyrannical) have a different spread of when and how violence occurs. Gun violence, which can be lessened in America once adequate policy is in place to prevent dis-progression and heal mind-body-soul vs. genocide by CCP of specific population who didn't want t…

I actually agree that the 2nd amendment exists for this purpose (protect against a tyrannical government) and think that is a good thing. An armed private citizen stands zero chance of effecting any defense against our military. None. Zero. It'd be a joke. Futile. Even the most practiced and prepared "militias" would fairly quickly be put down if the full might and focus of the US military where to be trained on them…

> An armed private citizen stands zero chance of effecting any defense against our military. None. Zero. It'd be a joke

Tell that to the Afghans.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by krapp » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #55

bbg24 wrote: post #51

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> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

It's a failsafe to have a chance to fight in case the government and enough of its military and commanders become tyrannical. Different systems (democratic vs. tyrannical) have a different spread of when and how violence occurs. Gun violence, which can be lessened in America once adequate policy is in place to prevent dis-progression and heal mind-body-soul vs. genocide by CCP of specific population who didn't want t…

The failsafe fails when the militias/armed populace have been captured by extremism and welcome tyranny with open arms.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by lmilcin » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

GiorgioG wrote: post #74

lmilcin wrote: post #52

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Let me explain. I live in Poland. Do you know how many guns I saw in my life that did not belong to a uniformed or undercover Police officer, soldier guarding an embassy or security guard guarding taking money to or from ATM? Exactly zero. And I am 38. Here in Poland it is quite difficult to get a gun. Basically, you need exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own one and even then you are not allowed to just car…

> And I strongly feel that this also affects you if you own a gun, in that it causes you to think more critically rather than just whip out a gun when you think a little bit threatened. It’s not legal in the US to “whip out a gun” if you feel a little threatened. You must literally fear for your life for you to use deadly force.

Took some time to find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0iN5J-9mk

Here you have a guy who felt a little threatened and shot another person for it claiming self defence, with a legal gun.

In this case the ability to own a gun and parade with it changed how the guy was thinking about possible conflict and risks.

That's largely because guns are so commonplace in US and not really treated with enough respect and thought for consequences.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by lmilcin » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:51 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #69

lmilcin wrote: post #52

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Let me explain. I live in Poland. Do you know how many guns I saw in my life that did not belong to a uniformed or undercover Police officer, soldier guarding an embassy or security guard guarding taking money to or from ATM? Exactly zero. And I am 38. Here in Poland it is quite difficult to get a gun. Basically, you need exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own one and even then you are not allowed to just car…

This excellently describes the situation in essentially every developed country (except one, of course). Less guns and less gun culture means less gun deaths. It's not rocket science.

Not sure why you are getting downvoted when it is a proven fact with hard data to back it.

I sometimes wish people should be required to post when downvoting to explain their point.

The data also shows that for every person that has saved themselves or some other person there are many, many people that died due to an accident or a conflict escalating due to a gun present.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by jdanp » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

patagonia wrote: post #76

loceng wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a failsafe to have a chance to fight in case the government and enough of its military and commanders become tyrannical. Different systems (democratic vs. tyrannical) have a different spread of when and how violence occurs. Gun violence, which can be lessened in America once adequate policy is in place to prevent dis-progression and heal mind-body-soul vs. genocide by CCP of specific population who didn't want t…

I actually agree that the 2nd amendment exists for this purpose (protect against a tyrannical government) and think that is a good thing. An armed private citizen stands zero chance of effecting any defense against our military. None. Zero. It'd be a joke. Futile. Even the most practiced and prepared "militias" would fairly quickly be put down if the full might and focus of the US military where to be trained on them…

There’s no law banning the “stockpiling” of weapons in any locale of the United States or at the federal level. You can own hundreds of rifles, shotguns, and handguns even in places like NYC as long as you purchase/possess/register the guns in accordance with all local laws.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by jackhack » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #57

bbg24 wrote: post #51

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> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need a gun. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective. Not trying to mock you, just seems like we have the same argument for our opposing views :)

why? Because the history books and graveyards (marked and unmarked) are full of examples of hundreds of millions of unarmed powerless peoples being marched off to their deaths by power-hungry dictators and their supporters. The authors of the American political system were exceedingly well educated and understood that a new American constitutional republic experiment where the people held the power would revert to a dictatorship unless the people themselves had some mechanism to retain authority. In addition to the checks and balances in the government, a large part of that authority is established (and guaranteed) through the availability of militarily-useful firearms as a last resort.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by OminousWeapons » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:56 PM UTC

jdanp wrote: post #80

erdos4d wrote: post #73

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I don't get why there is a need in a city, but there are definitely wilderness places in the US where it is required. What's wacky is that nobody can see this difference when laws get passed.

Most major cities have additional gun restrictions compared to surrounding suburban/rural areas.

Parent's post is correctly insinuating that it's city people assuming their context is universal and trying to regulate as such. The state wide restrictions are non-sensical for rural environments in states like CA and MA.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by patagonia » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

jdanp wrote: post #85

patagonia wrote: post #76

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I actually agree that the 2nd amendment exists for this purpose (protect against a tyrannical government) and think that is a good thing. An armed private citizen stands zero chance of effecting any defense against our military. None. Zero. It'd be a joke. Futile. Even the most practiced and prepared "militias" would fairly quickly be put down if the full might and focus of the US military where to be trained on them…

There’s no law banning the “stockpiling” of weapons in any locale of the United States or at the federal level. You can own hundreds of rifles, shotguns, and handguns even in places like NYC as long as you purchase/possess/register the guns in accordance with all local laws.

I should have said "effectively". There is no law saying that explicitly, however, try stockpiling 1000 weapons of the same sort in a manner not meant to be difficult to be noticed and see how long it takes for you to be on someones radar.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by lmilcin » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

howlgarnish wrote: post #46

lmilcin wrote: post #33

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The reality is, in almost every place on Earth a person that is intent on getting a gun will get a gun. If you want to do a crime with a gun, you definitely don't want a legal one. That's just stupid. And people intent on doing crimes most of the time don't really need guns for it, it is just suspicious to carry a gun around and if you are doing something shady you want to bring as little suspicion as possible. And a…

Good luck getting a gun in (say) Japan or Singapore. Possession of a single unauthorized bullet is up to 7 years in jail; using an unauthorized gun while committing a crime is punished with death.

Singapore is a special outlier case, most people can't even legally own a car there.

Japan has extremely small homicide rate, regardless of whether involving a gun. So it makes sense to disallow owning a gun because there isn't really need to own one. And the low homicide rate is not a result of gun regulation.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by patagonia » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:04 PM UTC

OminousWeapons wrote: post #81

patagonia wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually agree that the 2nd amendment exists for this purpose (protect against a tyrannical government) and think that is a good thing. An armed private citizen stands zero chance of effecting any defense against our military. None. Zero. It'd be a joke. Futile. Even the most practiced and prepared "militias" would fairly quickly be put down if the full might and focus of the US military where to be trained on them…

> An armed private citizen stands zero chance of effecting any defense against our military. None. Zero. It'd be a joke Tell that to the Afghans.

If you call that an "effective" defense, yeah idk what to say. We went in there with impunity, didn't even use the full capabilities of our forces, changed their government, killed over a hundred thousand of people, destroyed their economy, incapacitated their military... So can one individual cause a little damage to the US military? Sure. I wouldn't call it effective by any measure.