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Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by bbg24 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by lmilcin » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

rewq4321 wrote: post #41

lmilcin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality is, in almost every place on Earth a person that is intent on getting a gun will get a gun. If you want to do a crime with a gun, you definitely don't want a legal one. That's just stupid. And people intent on doing crimes most of the time don't really need guns for it, it is just suspicious to carry a gun around and if you are doing something shady you want to bring as little suspicion as possible. And a…

> Gun regulation is mostly to stop stupid people act stupidly with a gun they already lawfully own If you make guns easier to get, you end up with more of these cases. You also end up making it easier for people to unlawfully get access to a gun. In Australia you have to be a reasonably "hard" criminal to get access to a gun illegally. There just aren't that many guns around since the Port Arthur massacre, and gun de…

Let me explain. I live in Poland.

Do you know how many guns I saw in my life that did not belong to a uniformed or undercover Police officer, soldier guarding an embassy or security guard guarding taking money to or from ATM?

Exactly zero. And I am 38.

Here in Poland it is quite difficult to get a gun. Basically, you need exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own one and even then you are not allowed to just carry it around.

There are people who own a gun but most of them, from what I understand, will not take it anywhere.

Do people get beaten or stabbed here like in US? Sure. There's just no guns involved even for the ones that do own gun legally, because they would prefer to get beaten than bring out a gun.

Because of gun regulation, people learned to not consider guns to be a solution to their problems. Maybe if they fear their house might get robbed rather than buy a gun they will put bars on their windows and better security system.

And I strongly feel that this also affects you if you own a gun, in that it causes you to think more critically rather than just whip out a gun when you think a little bit threatened.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by newacct583 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:25 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #9

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

Every time gun regulation is brought up, conservatives claim the 2nd amendment is quite clear that guns are for revolution and that armed insurrection is somehow constitutional. I think we're now seeing the logical conclusion of that. You may well be right; senior dems have been too friendly with republicans as individuals for too long. Nothing ends that friendship like discovering them cheering on the people calling…

I hate that this is downvoted, because it's so clearly true. There is a heavily armed, deeply mistrustful subculture in this country that has been TRAINED by its leaders (including most of the now-minority party) that it is going to need to overthrow the government someday.

And they tried. Last Wednesday. What happens when they succeed?

Now, to be fair: I don't think guns (as machines) are the core problem here. Removing the guns doesn't remove the domestic terrorists. But nonetheless gun culture is part and parcel of the right wing terror we just saw, and that needs to be fixed.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:25 PM UTC

The most surprising thing to me is that despite guns on both sides there were only 4 deaths.

I guess that either both the police did very well their jobs (after the fact) and/or the 'insurgents' (almost) only had their guns as symbols and/or there was a lot of luck involved.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by loceng » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:28 PM UTC

bbg24 wrote: post #51

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

It's a failsafe to have a chance to fight in case the government and enough of its military and commanders become tyrannical.

Different systems (democratic vs. tyrannical) have a different spread of when and how violence occurs. Gun violence, which can be lessened in America once adequate policy is in place to prevent dis-progression and heal mind-body-soul vs. genocide by CCP of specific population who didn't want to fall in line with CCP rule.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by GiorgioG » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:28 PM UTC

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

What is your definition of sensible gun regulation in your opinion? Chances are this man bought them legally. He broke the law by bringing guns into DC which I believe are more heavily regulated/restricted.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by 4ggr0 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

bbg24 wrote: post #51

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need a gun. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

Not trying to mock you, just seems like we have the same argument for our opposing views :)

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by lmilcin » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

croissants wrote: post #42

lmilcin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality is, in almost every place on Earth a person that is intent on getting a gun will get a gun. If you want to do a crime with a gun, you definitely don't want a legal one. That's just stupid. And people intent on doing crimes most of the time don't really need guns for it, it is just suspicious to carry a gun around and if you are doing something shady you want to bring as little suspicion as possible. And a…

My interpretation is different. I think that most of the people who rioted at the Capitol aren't hardened criminals who deduced that they require a gun to most efficiently achieve their ends. I think they're random people who have some image in their heads of "gun + flag = American patriot", and the rather frictionless process for obtaining a gun in America means they can fulfill that image pretty much on a whim. I t…

Bad example. At least this guy brought a truck with explosive and illegal guns. Doesn't seem like another stupid person that decided to bring their gun on an impulse.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by dsmithn » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

bbg24 wrote: post #51

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

How else would you know if the carrier is an "average civilian" without some sort of documentation?

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by guerrilla » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

BlueTemplar wrote: post #54

The most surprising thing to me is that despite guns on both sides there were only 4 deaths. I guess that either both the police did very well their jobs (after the fact) and/or the 'insurgents' (almost) only had their guns as symbols and/or there was a lot of luck involved.

Probably because there was only really one side...