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Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by bsanr2 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

aaron695 wrote: post #12

> Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol The media is just shameless with their lying. They were bottles full of fuel. Commonly called Molotov Cocktails by anyone who's watched an action movie. BLM also used Molotov Cocktails, can't remember them being called bombs, because that would be a lie I guess. Alabama Man Charged With Possession of Eleven Molotov Cocktails Found Near Protest at U.S. Ca…

BLM did not use Molotov cocktails. BLM is largely-non-violent. BLM was not the only faction involved in this summer's protests, and even in the cases of major property damage that did occur, were not the perpetrators.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by SftwreEngnr » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #57

bbg24 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need a gun. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective. Not trying to mock you, just seems like we have the same argument for our opposing views :)

Yes you are. At least admit something if you believe it.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by rozab » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:33 PM UTC

BlueTemplar wrote: post #54

The most surprising thing to me is that despite guns on both sides there were only 4 deaths. I guess that either both the police did very well their jobs (after the fact) and/or the 'insurgents' (almost) only had their guns as symbols and/or there was a lot of luck involved.

I think a contributing factor is that the police knew that these protesters would be heavily armed and dangerous and so were reluctant to escalate the situation. Unlike with BLM where they could happily curbstomp them with no consequences.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by thr_120 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:35 PM UTC

orange_tee wrote: post #15

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

They charged him with illegal possession of the guns though. It wouldn't make a difference in this case. He's not some kid in HS. He's a 70 year old man. He could easily obtain a hunting rifle (say in case you ban all other guns) and it would be just as effective for this purpose.

> He could easily obtain a hunting rifle.

Maybe that is the problem. Can he really buy hunting rifle without license?

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by hunter-gatherer » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:35 PM UTC

bagacrap wrote: post #24

orange_tee wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They charged him with illegal possession of the guns though. It wouldn't make a difference in this case. He's not some kid in HS. He's a 70 year old man. He could easily obtain a hunting rifle (say in case you ban all other guns) and it would be just as effective for this purpose.

I'm pretty sure I'd rather be shot by a hunting rifle than an assault rifle. Hunting rifles aren't designed to blow a deer's leg off.

You clearly know nothing about firearms, munitions, or ballistics.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by rocketpastsix » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:36 PM UTC

aaron695 wrote: post #12

> Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol The media is just shameless with their lying. They were bottles full of fuel. Commonly called Molotov Cocktails by anyone who's watched an action movie. BLM also used Molotov Cocktails, can't remember them being called bombs, because that would be a lie I guess. Alabama Man Charged With Possession of Eleven Molotov Cocktails Found Near Protest at U.S. Ca…

>BLM also used Molotov Cocktails, can't remember them being called bombs, because that would be a lie I guess.

Lets see some proof of this.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by EVdotIO » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:36 PM UTC

bagacrap wrote: post #24

orange_tee wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They charged him with illegal possession of the guns though. It wouldn't make a difference in this case. He's not some kid in HS. He's a 70 year old man. He could easily obtain a hunting rifle (say in case you ban all other guns) and it would be just as effective for this purpose.

I'm pretty sure I'd rather be shot by a hunting rifle than an assault rifle. Hunting rifles aren't designed to blow a deer's leg off.

Oh sweet summer child. Your scary AR is meant to maim, not blow off limbs.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by GiorgioG » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:37 PM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #57

bbg24 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need a gun. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective. Not trying to mock you, just seems like we have the same argument for our opposing views :)

You might change your mind if you’ve ever had someone try to break into your home at 3am. Happened when I was a kid. Fortunately my father had a lowly 0.22 rifle. The sight of the rifle in my fathers’s hands was enough to convince them to leave.

My father is as left-leaning as they come (and an Italian immigrant) but he knew even then that the police can’t always protect you.

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Post by grecy » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:38 PM UTC

lmilcin wrote: post #52

rewq4321 wrote: post #41

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> Gun regulation is mostly to stop stupid people act stupidly with a gun they already lawfully own If you make guns easier to get, you end up with more of these cases. You also end up making it easier for people to unlawfully get access to a gun. In Australia you have to be a reasonably "hard" criminal to get access to a gun illegally. There just aren't that many guns around since the Port Arthur massacre, and gun de…

Let me explain. I live in Poland. Do you know how many guns I saw in my life that did not belong to a uniformed or undercover Police officer, soldier guarding an embassy or security guard guarding taking money to or from ATM? Exactly zero. And I am 38. Here in Poland it is quite difficult to get a gun. Basically, you need exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own one and even then you are not allowed to just car…

This excellently describes the situation in essentially every developed country (except one, of course).

Less guns and less gun culture means less gun deaths. It's not rocket science.

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Post by jdanp » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:39 PM UTC

bbg24 wrote: post #51

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

> Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation... I can't comprehend why an average civilian would need license to keep and/or carry a firearm. None of the arguments seem to stack up, at least, from my perspective.

The way you phrased this is funny because it can be interpreted as either a pro gun or anti gun statement:

1. Civilians should be able to keep or carry a firearm without a license.

2. No civilian should be able to keep or carry a firearm.

In America licenses are not generally required to purchase handguns, rifles, or shotguns except in the more restrictive states. And each year more and more states are trending towards being able to carry without a permit as well.