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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by watwut »

dieortin wrote: post #81
throwawaysea wrote: post #69

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This is very true. Tens of thousands of Trump supporters showed up to DC this last week, attending one of several fully-legal, fully-permitted protests. Almost all events and participants were peaceful. A few hundred walked into the capitol complex, and I am guessing most did not initially plan to do so but got caught up in the moment, following those in front of them. Of those few hundred, an even smaller group was…

You say it like “getting caught in the moment” and assaulting the Capitol is something completely reasonable that anyone in that situation might do.

It is transparent lie. They came in prepared for it. They had bombs, zip ties, clubs, etc.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by creato »

adventured wrote: post #401
_y5hn wrote: post #325

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Anger about what though?

I can explain that one. Stick with me on this dear HN reader, as your gut reaction may be to trigger downvote, but I'm going to actually explain it for real, I'm going to tell you exactly why (I'm not going to filter it for everyone so it feels better or sounds better). Jobs. Opioid deaths. Suicides. Life expectancy. Standards of living. Manufacturing erosion. Lack of a future. Lack of wealth creation. Rural and midd…

I pretty much agree with everything you wrote. The part that scares me is this:

> It's a mistake for the Democrats to obsess over blaming and castigating those people, instead of focusing on convincing them, swaying them, educating them, peeling away voters and ultimately delivering real life improvements (the big part of that) if they truly believe they have a better path to offer for their future.

What if there simply isn't a better path? Between automation and foreign competition, it might simply not be possible to return to an economy like the one we had post-WWII.

This is where everyone comes along to tell me about UBI, but I think this is not addressing the problem. A lot of people don't want to be handed free money, they want opportunities to work and improve their lives. A slower treadmill is still a treadmill. I wonder if it is simply impossible to provide that, and maybe the current reality is close to the best this is going to get.

I think maybe the best possible future is one where many (and eventually most) people live out their lives hooked up to an opiate IV and a VR headset.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by rendall »

marcusverus wrote: post #376
sumedh wrote: post #255

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> I also don’t agree with their equivalent person on the left. Just out of curiosity who is their equivalent person on the left? > Can’t we all try to find consensus and compromise? What consensus and compromise do you want when the President of the US wants to "find" the votes or when calls the rioters good people and we love you?

How about Adam Schiff, whose lie that he had seen "more than circumstantial evidence" of Trump-Russia collusion was the cornerstone of the case for a Special Council?[0] We got a two year investigation into the question of collusion... which found no such evidence: "The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired…

People are able to evaluate bias in others and propaganda they disagree with far better than their own biases and propaganda they agree with. No person or group should have the power to decide on their own what is "true"

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Post by 3131s »

gdulli wrote: post #34
DethNinja wrote: post #8

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Is there any proof they are not already banning left-wing hosts? I feel like at this point they are banning everyone against the status quo. Anyway I feel like this is a blessing in disguise, stuff like this can cause Tech giants to lose huge market share in the long term future. It is good that people are forming other organic communities completely separate from Google/FB/Twitter.

> I feel like at this point they are banning everyone against the status quo. Deciding that reality is whatever you "feel like" is how we got into this mess in the first place.

Demonetization has been a common occurrence for leftist online figures, even ones that are not at all "radical".

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Post by proc0 »

ars wrote: post #28
bryan0 wrote: post #13

The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

I agree lies are bad. But lying is enough to get you banned? All the discussion up to now was "there's no slippery slope, only calls for violence" will get you banned. And now it's slipped to lying will get you banned?

You can't contradict our Dear Leaders, they are always right and know better.

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Post by jacquesm »

wilsynet wrote: post #299
o-__-o wrote: post #259

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So because some people at the entire rally were armed means everyone storming the capitol was also armed? I’ve heard that very same bad statistics argument used as to why trump lost the election. Causation != correlation. I did not see any overt firearms or weapons on the people storming the capitol building. It will be hard, because it goes against your beliefs.. but I challenge you to find those armed people in the…

I don’t have any beliefs about this. A violent mob invaded the capital. Some of them carried weapons. I’m not claiming they were all armed or that they were filmed using the weapons. Although they certainly did attack police officers. With flag poles, ladders, fire extinguishers, pepper spray. I’ll leave it there.

And killed a police officer. By beating him to death. With American flags and a fire extinguisher. They were still beating him long after he was down.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by KorematsuFred »

e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

I am Fox news viewer. Fox news has much greater diversity of opinion compared to CNN or MSNBC and some of it like say Tucker happens to be more on the loonie side but then some of the best criticism of GOP I have seen is from the Fox news. The progressive media all appears to be singing a very common elitist tune all the time.

While I think, all platforms should have the right to censor whatever content they wish to, it always goes other way, platforms should also be free to have all sort of content including what I might think as a "lie".

All this mess will result into a better internet where people will figure out more "uncacelllable" solutions to propagate what people call "lies".

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Post by [deleted] »

markdown wrote: post #414
TearsInTheRain wrote: post #365

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Of course your causes are absolutely required and moral and just but those guys over there with their concerns, those we dont need to protect and claiming they are "violent mobs" is totally justified...

Both the rioting by BLM protestors and the rioting by the Trump/GOP supporters would be moral and just if they were in fact based on truth. I mean, if the Presidency was indeed stolen by election fraud, protests and rioting would be justified. But unlike the BLM protests, they were based on lies. Those lies did real damage, and they haven't stopped, so publishers are cutting ties with them to avoid further crime and…

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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by pmiller2 »

adventured wrote: post #401
_y5hn wrote: post #325

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Anger about what though?

I can explain that one. Stick with me on this dear HN reader, as your gut reaction may be to trigger downvote, but I'm going to actually explain it for real, I'm going to tell you exactly why (I'm not going to filter it for everyone so it feels better or sounds better). Jobs. Opioid deaths. Suicides. Life expectancy. Standards of living. Manufacturing erosion. Lack of a future. Lack of wealth creation. Rural and midd…

That's a fine theory, but it doesn't explain why the same people voted for him again once Trump neither fixed or took steps to fix any of these issues.
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