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Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by _y5hn »

Nursie wrote: post #75
musicale wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lawyer, but if he literally instructed the crowd to "march into the capitol chambers" then it seems like there might be a case, but if he just said something like "march to the capitol" it doesn't sound like enough to prove responsibility. Similarly "fight" could be claimed as a metaphor (e.g. college fight songs) rather than a literal incitement to violence. Etc..

He said "March to the capital". He didn't instruct them to invade. But he did - Spend two months riling them with his grievance fantasies Call all patriots to gather for a rally Spend 70 minutes telling them their votes had been stolen and they needed to FIGHT! Tell them to march to the capitol. It's a very fine line, and the outcome very predictable, even if he didn't explicitly tell them to invade it.

He instructed them to cheer on the delegates, and not be too nice to Pence.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by _y5hn »

xkeysc0re wrote: post #66
musicale wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lawyer, but if he literally instructed the crowd to "march into the capitol chambers" then it seems like there might be a case, but if he just said something like "march to the capitol" it doesn't sound like enough to prove responsibility. Similarly "fight" could be claimed as a metaphor (e.g. college fight songs) rather than a literal incitement to violence. Etc..

Not sure if "Stop the steal" can be taken figuratively anymore

It never was.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by _y5hn »

sol_invictus wrote: post #67
ohjeez wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that odd? I want justice. Protect the weak, help those who are in trouble, prevent violence against the innocent. That means helping government agencies do their job, when I can. It also means ensuring that the people who we ask to protect us actually DO protect us. I see no conflict.

Having different sets of principles for different groups of people is what one calls partisanship; and partisanship is a very critical problem in the US right now.

So, help the multibillionaires, then?

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by maxerickson »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #98
vsareto wrote: post #96

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Twitter has weird issues. Sometimes the tweets appear deleted, but a refresh shows it. That user didn't post the name until other sources did, so not doxxing

Is “it’s ok, I heard it from another guy” not still doxxing? IDK, not sure what the rules here are.

Posting a link to some personal information about some person in the news is a stretch to call doxxing in the first place.

(I think it's reasonable to look at that Twitter thread as activist journalism)

Doxxing would be if you posted a picture to imgur and then posted a link to that picture along with personal information about a person depicted, or if you posted personal information about a user here or so (that wasn't already clearly public).

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by [deleted] »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #88
ineedasername wrote: post #36

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Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.

Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs…

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Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by [deleted] »

alecco wrote: post #5

Greenwald rang the alarm on this just yesterday. Violence in the Capitol, Dangers in the Aftermath From the Cold War to the War on Terror: the harms from authoritarian "solutions" are often greater than the threats they are ostensibly designed to combat. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/violence-in-the-capitol-dan... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686567

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Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

#107

Post by zigzaggy »

trianglem wrote: post #2

If anyone is looking for videos from the terror attack on the capitol, r/datahoarder on reddit has a pretty solid collection.

Yeah why downvote this? Ppl buying minimal amounts of marijuana (and other selectively enforced misdemeanors) are doing real time while members of a violent mob walk free. And not only are they all on camera, but there may even be SIGINT collection devices that have their phone ID info.

I don’t usually engage in politics on HN, but I think this goes beyond politics. How are we not supposed to be angry, after watching ppl be gassed and shot with rubber bullets, about how the Capitol Police responded 6 Jan? This is much bigger than politics.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by projct »

function_seven wrote: post #76
Nursie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't seem to think what they did was wrong - but they also didn't seem to understand it was serious. There is a youtube video of a young woman expressing her utter shock and dismay at being maced as she literally tried to storm congress and disrupt the national democratic process. It is amazing to watch, just for how weirdly naive and entitled she is while right up saying they were trying for a revolution. What…

Is that the video where it appears she's rubbing an onion into her eye? Anyway, for another example of "they also didn't seem to understand it was serious," the quote from the feet-up-on-the-desk guy: > "I'll probably be telling them this is what happened all the way to the D.C. jail," Mr. Barnett said. He's glib about it the same way you might be about spending a night in the drunk tank after getting a little too cr…

I have no interest in defending this woman. However, it appears that onions are a home remedy for being tear gassed or experiencing other chemical irritants.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elizabeth-knoxville-onion-...

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by sol_invictus »

_y5hn wrote: post #103
sol_invictus wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having different sets of principles for different groups of people is what one calls partisanship; and partisanship is a very critical problem in the US right now.

So, help the multibillionaires, then?

No? It means that if you support CHAZ/CHOP and condemn the Capitol events then youre a partisan hack.

Either you want peace and prosperity or you don’t. You can’t cherry-pick your stance towards law based on who’s breaking it.

There’s nothing hard to understand about it, but then again people love to play dumb in questions like these. I don’t understand it to be honest.

Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by pengaru »

mnklo wrote: post #78
Nursie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't seem to think what they did was wrong - but they also didn't seem to understand it was serious. There is a youtube video of a young woman expressing her utter shock and dismay at being maced as she literally tried to storm congress and disrupt the national democratic process. It is amazing to watch, just for how weirdly naive and entitled she is while right up saying they were trying for a revolution. What…

Oh you must mean [the one holding the onion in her towel?]( https://youtu.be/vcaJFGQHdnA )

As someone else commented, this is apparently a known mitigation for diy tear gas/pepper spray relief.
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