funny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on
Funny how critics of #defundthepolice willing ignore that it has always meant #reappropriatefundsfromthepolicetosocialservicesbetterabletohandlenonviolentissues
Some people mean that, others mean literal abolition:
My favorite of these guys was West Virginia state legislator Derrick Evans: >The video shows a crowd surging through a Capitol door, past security, while an alarm repeatedly blares. As Evans enters an area called National Statuary Hall he celebrates and states his own name: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-v...
I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.
They don't seem to think what they did was wrong - but they also didn't seem to understand it was serious.
There is a youtube video of a young woman expressing her utter shock and dismay at being maced as she literally tried to storm congress and disrupt the national democratic process. It is amazing to watch, just for how weirdly naive and entitled she is while right up saying they were trying for a revolution. What the hell did you think was going to happen?
Greenwald rang the alarm on this just yesterday. Violence in the Capitol, Dangers in the Aftermath From the Cold War to the War on Terror: the harms from authoritarian "solutions" are often greater than the threats they are ostensibly designed to combat. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/violence-in-the-capitol-dan... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686567
If they had burned the Capitol to the ground with everyone in it, Greenwald would be concerned about the authoritarian harms of the response.
Presumably they are being blatant so that they can be explicitly pardoned, as they apparently think they will be.
Um, judging from this Trump Tweet... > Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it! @DHSgov ..I doubt that a Presidential Pardon is in the cards. But maybe I'm missing something. I thought those "…
"Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors." Doesn't say Patriots. See? We've got the green light!
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Election rules were changed in unorthodox ways due to a global pandemic. You have to admit that the election was unlike any other on recent memory.
The losing side, given this unorthodox election, wanted some validation of results, as well as to legally challenge the way they were done (PA's changes).
The response was one of derision and essentially shutting out the right from discourse. No effort was made a conciliation. This had the predictable effect of galvanizing people that there was indeed fraud.
If you think that these people had no reason to be angry, you aren't paying attention. If you can understand the frustrations and lead up to the BLM movement, but don't even want to pay lip service to this, you are either a horrible person or stupid. Take your pick: evil, ignorant, or both?
A presidential pardon won't help Derrick Evans get around the 14th amendment should he ever decide to try to re-start his political career.
Out of curiosity, how is the 14th amendment related? EDIT: Thank you! I didn't mean to spawn a big subthread, but I'm happy to have learned that today. I somehow missed that there were multiple sections.
> No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
Greenwald rang the alarm on this just yesterday. Violence in the Capitol, Dangers in the Aftermath From the Cold War to the War on Terror: the harms from authoritarian "solutions" are often greater than the threats they are ostensibly designed to combat. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/violence-in-the-capitol-dan... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686567
If they had burned the Capitol to the ground with everyone in it, Greenwald would be concerned about the authoritarian harms of the response.
To his mind, the greatest possible evil is that someone, somewhere, might be held accountable for their actions.