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Post by michaelmrose »

tetrometal wrote: post #239
michaelmrose wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again and again the lawsuits refused to even assert fraud and made procedural quibbles and asked that because of procedural differences the votes of millions of people cast in good faith to be thrown out until they got the right answer. In the minority of cases that actually spoke to fraud in public filings or public statements they declined to prove it in court when given a venue. It's not that they didn't get their…

Matt Braynard's evidence was not seen in court.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/5-georgia-election-fraud-claims...

There was no evidence to present in court in the first place. If there was compelling evidence the Trump admin would have clung to it like a drowning man clinging to their savior.

There ARE tons of things good enough to meme out of context but none that stands up the the kind of scrutiny required in a court of law.

On twitter you can claim thousands of dead people voted. In court you have to actually prove it.

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Post by jimkleiber »

belorn wrote: post #226
jimkleiber wrote: post #111

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I think sometimes we judge events based on the outcomes not on the intent. If one of those people who got inside the building gained access to one of the members of Congress or Vice President Pence and took them hostage or harmed them, would you think that it were closer to a coup attempt? There were reports of how the National Guard seemed to be getting delayed because of not having the approval of, I believe, the P…

When Trump called the national guard to deal with rioters during the summer it was globally criticized. The military do not have the training to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right equipment to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right organizational structure to deal with rioting citizens. The result of sending the military against your own citizen is always unnecessary violence and d…

> When Trump called the national guard to deal with rioters during the summer it was globally criticized.

At least from what I recall, it was criticized because the President was ordering the national guard into a state, whereas I'm pretty sure it's the state's decision whether it wants to deploy its national guard or not, not the President's.

> The military do not have the training to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right equipment to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right organizational structure to deal with rioting citizens. The result of sending the military against your own citizen is always unnecessary violence and death.

I don't have a military or law-enforcement background so I don't know if they have the skills or equipment or not. You seem to speak with utmost certainty on this so I assume you may know more than me, but with the anonymity of the internet, I have no idea.

I don't know why the national guard seemed to be delayed, I don't know if that were because someone thought they weren't the right ones to do the job or if it would be too much of an escalation, or adversely, they thought they would do a really good job at protecting and not harming people. I have no idea.

What I was trying to say is that I don't know what the plans were, what the coordination was behind the scenes, and how few of us actually know the full scope of actions that were planned or intended and that just because a plan fails doesn't mean it didn't break the law in a serious way.

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Post by chr1 »

dleslie wrote: post #204
chr1 wrote: post #91

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Person C threatening to no longer communicate with person A, is different than person C threatening to do additional work to not conduct business with person A. This kind of weaponization of everyday business does not lead to anything good. And just like we would condemn shop owner refusing to sell to a customer based on race/hair color/ clothing style we need to condemn twitter refusing service to sci-hub, to Trump,…

Freedom of Association is a fundamental freedom in many countries, for good reason. I'll happily avoid services that happily and stubbornly provide platforms to white nationalists and similar wretches, like Parler and Gab, and it certainly does not bother me that such platforms may not welcome me. Cults and similar certainly do use their ability to sever association to control their membership, but making that step a…

There is difference between association and between singling out someone and refusing service that would be at no additional cost to you. Twitter not only banned Trumps account, but also sci-hub account which is far from being a "wretch" and has contributed immensely to science.

If we include social media service providers into "cancellation" wars the result will be too costly for the society, so we need better ways to fight against nationalists. Sacrificing freedom of speech to a group applying unknown rules, without a mechanism to appeal, will be harmful in the long run, even though this time it have produced a result we like.

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Post by mullingitover »

SergeAx wrote: post #206
mullingitover wrote: post #70

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> while censoring the 50% rest of the political spectrum Let's be clear: moderating/banning the accounts of a man and his supporters who invited tens of thousands of people to the United States Capitol, spent hours lying to them about the results of the election, and then weaponized them in an attempt to overthrow the US government is not a case of Twitter crossing some sort of threshold into tyranny. A grave crime w…

If this is a crime then there should be an investigation in progress and some court orders made to prevent more criminal activity. Not an abrupt decision by... We don't even know who exactly made that decision.

If we want to nationalize all the major web services so they are forced to operate as government agencies with all the constitutional protections that go along with that, it's certainly an idea. I wouldn't have imagined in 2021 we'd have conservatives advocating for seizing the means of production of the nation's Tweets.

So far we know these companies made the decision to ban the President:

- Twitter

- Google

- Youtube

- Reddit

- Tiktok (ironic that he'd be banned by Tiktok before he banned it himself)

- Instagram

- Snapchat

- Spotify

- Shopify

- Twitch

- Pinterest

I would love to know if YCombinator has formally banned him from the Hacker News community.

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Post by lumost »

tetrometal wrote: post #238
lumost wrote: post #219

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I invested the time to read the link. To save others the effort, it's a plea for money to support a vague voter data cross referencing effort. Unsurprisingly no evidence is put forward.

It's attitudes represented by this blithe dismissal of a compelling argument that will continue to divide the nation. I guess you think you're going to get something out of it, but this is a scenario that nobody wins. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In the spirit of healthy debate, you could share the evidence you find so compelling. The article linked did not include any evidence or argument that I could find (even after watching the video)

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Post by type0 »

It is often the form of american cultural imperialism that can be revolting to see, everything from calling other people names to that they're not https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LatinX to other such bullshit claiming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5nqlMv48c

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Post by mullingitover »

tetrometal wrote: post #248
michaelmrose wrote: post #210

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Hours later after the plot had already failed.

True. It's also true that he told them to protest peacefully BEFORE the riot as well. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Frankly I find your dishonesty unacceptable.

> Frankly I find your dishonesty unacceptable.

Hilarious if you're being serious.

Read the transcript. Those 'peacefully and patriotically' disclaimers are surrounded with language like:

> We want to go back, and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed, and we’re not going to stand for that.

> But this year using the pretext of the China virus and the scam of mail-in ballots, Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft. There’s never been anything like this. It’s a pure theft in American history, everybody knows it.

> Our media is not free. It’s not fair. It suppresses thought. It suppresses speech, and it’s become the enemy of the people. It’s become the enemy of the people.

(followed by his supporters assaulting the press)

> We won’t have a country of it happens.[sic]

> So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

Read the whole transcript of that speech. It's loaded with clear, unambiguous "fighting words" (to use the legal term) with a bare sprinkling of disclaimers to offer some fig leaf to what he's inciting.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-sav...

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Post by type0 »

Aerroon wrote: post #94
ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #46

I wish there would be a societal awakening in Europe and people would boycott American services. Countries need to reclaim their digital sovereignty if they hope to preserve their culture. Back in college everyone I knew browsed reddit, 9gag, facebook, etc for hours every day. The european youth is getting raised by America and fed its political ideology one meme/discussion thread at a time. It took me a long while t…

I think the problem is language. English offers a far wider platform to engage people, but it also means that discussions/engagements will be dominated mostly by Americans. Computer use also favors using English. As a result, American influence is kind of inevitable. At the same time though, America also feels the influence from all those other cultures.

> As a result, American influence is kind of inevitable.

Yeah and it's only a matter of time until youtube will start de-platforming mainstrem hungarian vloggers because their values don't align with american

Not related to social media but this stuff even happen IRL https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/09/hungarian-opera-asks-whi...

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Post by stale2002 »

dleslie wrote: post #166
stale2002 wrote: post #82

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> That's being overly reductive No it isn't. It is literally the definition that is on wikipedia. That is a very good authority on definitions for things. > At that point "censorship" is diluted to have no meaning beyond curation. Sure it does. The meaning is quite clear in the article, which is a relevant authority on the issue. Private companies can censor people. That is the definition, and the relevant authoritie…

Private companies engage in censorship only when they have a controlling interest on a form of communication, and that is the sole purview of monopolies.

> and that is the sole purview of monopolies.

No actually. According to the wikipedia definition on censorship, there is no requirement to be a monopoly, in order for a private business to engage in censorship.

Instead, according to the actual definition of censorship, censorship is any sort of "suppression of speech, public communication, or other information", and private, non-monopolies can absolutely engage in censorship.

You are simply incorrect about what the definition of censorship is. The actual definitions, that are all over the place, do not require a monopoly.

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Post by verwyrelevant »

potato wrote: post #155
michaelmrose wrote: post #147

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A few of my favorite things that were brought to the capital. Zip ties, several guns, 11 molotov cocktails, 2 pipe bombs. Guliani also asked Tuberville to object to every state which if acted on would have required at least 11 days of 12 hour sessions with an armed angry mob outside. When they finally attacked it took hours to authorize the national guard to defend the capital giving the mob maximum time to terrorize…

Turns out all you need for a coup is about 70 lightly armed boomers and a few zip ties.

They were assault zip ties, though.
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