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Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by michaelmrose » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:01 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #168

michaelmrose wrote: post #147

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A few of my favorite things that were brought to the capital. Zip ties, several guns, 11 molotov cocktails, 2 pipe bombs. Guliani also asked Tuberville to object to every state which if acted on would have required at least 11 days of 12 hour sessions with an armed angry mob outside. When they finally attacked it took hours to authorize the national guard to defend the capital giving the mob maximum time to terrorize…

All of that fantastical story could have happened and still would not have had a diff government. You need consent from a number of powerful stakeholders including the armed forces Supreme Court and all kinds of ancillary players [banks, heavy industry, etc.] Forcing people under duress doesn’t hold. If you walk up to a bank teller and force them to transfer a million dollars to your account while you brandish a gun,…

All of the republicans in senate and house and 6 democratic reps could have opted to throw out any number of votes they please leaving no party with the majority of the electoral college vote which would constitutionally required us to hold a vote in the house to decide the next president which would almost certainly result in Trump being re-elected.

Arguably this would be obviously against the spirit of the law but its not clear that 5 supreme court justices would have found that argument persuasive.

If the court and congress comply there is no need to convince the armed forces let alone banks and industry.

For the record the CHAZ was actually nonviolent during the day. Guns should have never been allowed. The shooting happened because drug addicts were fleeing to CHAZ with their stolen car that looked similar to the car that tried to pull a drive by earlier that night and the retards shot them.

Some parts of Seattle aren't really safe at night in the best circumstances.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by mullingitover » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:01 AM UTC

belorn wrote: post #226

jimkleiber wrote: post #111

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I think sometimes we judge events based on the outcomes not on the intent. If one of those people who got inside the building gained access to one of the members of Congress or Vice President Pence and took them hostage or harmed them, would you think that it were closer to a coup attempt? There were reports of how the National Guard seemed to be getting delayed because of not having the approval of, I believe, the P…

When Trump called the national guard to deal with rioters during the summer it was globally criticized. The military do not have the training to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right equipment to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right organizational structure to deal with rioting citizens. The result of sending the military against your own citizen is always unnecessary violence and d…

> Would anyone here be happier of the military was used against the rioters in the capital and a few hundred or thousand people died from machine fire?

No, I would be happier if they hadn't been lied to for months and then invited to the capitol and incited to do an attack on congress in the first place.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:02 AM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #208

tetrometal wrote: post #124

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They are obviously pointing out the hypocrisy and bias with which the left spins narratives. Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot?

The maximum damage of those riots is a handful of people killed and businesses burned down. The maximum damage in the capital invasion is the loss of our democracy and way of life.

You're comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing the results of the former (which you have painted in an incredibly rosy light) to the potential outcomes of the latter.

If we look at the potential outcomes of the BLM/Antifa riots, there's no reason to believe that they couldn't have destroyed our democracy.

Or, if we compare the actual outcomes, it's not quite as rosy for your apparently preferred riots: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25706651

I suspect you understand that you are doing this, and that you are comfortable with the charade. More and more people are beginning to see through the kind of spin you and others present, however, and are coming to resent you powerfully for it.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by mc32 » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:02 AM UTC

paulryanrogers wrote: post #229

mc32 wrote: post #184

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An ISIS technical has more firepower than this. Oooooh 11 molotovs.... more than that were used in a number of demos this past summer... It’s a willful exaggeration and narrative driving.

Comparing the rioters' equipment to ISIS and other criminals doesn't make them any less troublesome, or their cause more sympathetic.

Equipment is equipment. It can only do so much regardless who has it. As I said more molotovs were thrown during the past summer’s sometimes peaceful sometimes violent demos.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by bmarquez » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:03 AM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #220

bmarquez wrote: post #95

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If I was the leader of a country, why would I let Silicon Valley companies potentially censor my speech? Other authoritarian leaders are likely thinking "If Twitter can deplatform the President of the United States [which has more power than my smaller country], they have the power to deplatform me. Better reduce that risk and start blocking services to maintain control." Not saying it's right, but I understand their…

It is very strange to speak of a president being "deplatformed" If somewhere out there is a nation without their own government website for the president to speak on?

From the perspective of a hypothetical corrupt, authoritarian government, it's an issue of control.

Of course they have their own websites. But the goal would be to promote the "official" point of view while suppressing the opposition, to maintain the illusion of broad support. It's not a free speech issue. And if the "official" point of view gets deplatformed, it's a risk to them.

I'm hesitant to use VKontakte as a real-life example because I don't speak Russian, but according to Wikipedia VK had censorship issues until it was (supposedly) taken over by Putin-friendly people.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:04 AM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #232

belorn wrote: post #226

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When Trump called the national guard to deal with rioters during the summer it was globally criticized. The military do not have the training to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right equipment to deal with rioting citizens. They do not have the right organizational structure to deal with rioting citizens. The result of sending the military against your own citizen is always unnecessary violence and d…

> Would anyone here be happier of the military was used against the rioters in the capital and a few hundred or thousand people died from machine fire? No, I would be happier if they hadn't been lied to for months and then invited to the capitol and incited to do an attack on congress in the first place.

> No, I would be happier if they hadn't been lied to for months

You keep asserting this as fact.

It is not.

Again, please demonstrate that Matt Braynard's evidence has been addressed.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/matt_braynards_...

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by vimy » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #205

vimy wrote: post #171

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If you think it was scattered and not organized you haven't been paying attention. 95 % of black lives matter protests were peaceful. There were 10600 demonstration events which leaves us with 500 riots. A massive number. Results: - Worsening of race relations - Billions of dollars in damage - Numerous stores and businesses, predominantly owned by black and latino Americans, destroyed. Those people, the very same we…

Where did you get the 10,600 number and the percentage that were peaceful? Where is the proof that damaging riots were deliberately organized. I mostly saw white people looting under the cover of black people marching. Where is the proof that it was primarily minority owned businesses that were damaged? Why would it take decades for these businesses to file a claim with their insurance and replace their merchandise a…

> Where did you get the 10,600 number and the percentage that were peaceful

https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-vi... cmd + f 'NATIONWIDE DEMONSTRATIONS'

> Where is the proof that damaging riots were deliberately organized.

You don't sustain riots for months without organizing.

> Why would it take decades for these businesses to file a claim with their insurance and replace their merchandise and windows?

Not their insurance but the economic damage. That's what happened after the 1960s riots. https://www.jstor.org/stable/40056402?seq=1

> Where is the proof that it was primarily minority owned businesses that were damaged?

Because the riots were mostly in low-income neighborhoods.

https://www.startribune.com/riots-arson-leave-minnesota-comm...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/minneapolis-protests-b...

https://www.businessinsider.com/black-owned-businesses-put-u...

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:09 AM UTC

lumost wrote: post #219

tetrometal wrote: post #185

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> Another side told people that their country was being stolen from them and only they could stop it before telling them to go to the capital. Was it or wasn't it being stolen? Do you have a debunking of Matt Braynard's argument? [1] I presume not, since one hasn't been presented, because the evidence hasn't been examined or litigated, which is why hundreds of thousands of people went to the capital. What should the…

I invested the time to read the link. To save others the effort, it's a plea for money to support a vague voter data cross referencing effort. Unsurprisingly no evidence is put forward.

It's attitudes represented by this blithe dismissal of a compelling argument that will continue to divide the nation. I guess you think you're going to get something out of it, but this is a scenario that nobody wins.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #214

tetrometal wrote: post #181

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> Show the receipts that the election was stolen before you decide to broadcast that claim to millions. Again, look at Matt Braynard's work. It's compelling, and has been completely ignored. [1] The right isn't pissed because they think they know fraud happened, they're pissed because the evidence hasn't been examined. > Trump's legal team had the chance to do that in court dozens of times False. Trump's legal team b…

Again and again the lawsuits refused to even assert fraud and made procedural quibbles and asked that because of procedural differences the votes of millions of people cast in good faith to be thrown out until they got the right answer. In the minority of cases that actually spoke to fraud in public filings or public statements they declined to prove it in court when given a venue. It's not that they didn't get their…

Matt Braynard's evidence was not seen in court.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by klodolph » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

selfhoster11 wrote: post #120

klodolph wrote: post #74

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I don’t think so, but my guess is as bad as anyone else’s. People have too many family members, coworkers, friends, etc. across country borders. There’s a high cost to cutting your country off from the rest of the internet in any real way. The cost of intercepting / controlling / severing internet communication is high and gets higher as communication volumes get higher, the economy relies more heavy on international…

This was the narrative before Brexit, and yet that didn't ultimately stop it. Game theory rarely helps when the actors aren't perfectly rational, which they aren't.

It’s about degrees. Brexit has a cost, internet balkanization has a cost, the more you isolate your country the more you pay. At some point the costs are too high, and can only be supported by the most authoritarian regimes.