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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by caconym_ »

_dark_matter_ wrote: post #646
snowflake_ptr wrote: post #611

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Seven people died in a single weekend of BLM riots[1], which happened throughout all of 2020 . That was also terrorism, yet no social media company deplatformed any Antifa- or BLM-related group. [1] https://www.insider.com/multiple-people-shot-dead-kentucky-i...

I hear you - I really do. Violence in any form cannot be condoned, especially death. One thing I don't see mentioned is scale of death vs. scale of demonstration. There was a relatively small number of people in Washington, and in one day, much damage was done. 5 killed, O(100) injured, and the capitol overrun. The demonstrations this past summer were on another level. It's estimated that 20 million [0] people were i…

I've been trying to say this wherever the comparison is made. I haven't done the math, but in terms of fatalities per participant-day I think Wednesdays' events are probably at least two orders of magnitude more deadly than the "BLM protests" taken as a whole.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by AvocadoPanic »

nicbou wrote: post #153
bjtitus wrote: post #47

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

Here's some perspective.

A man was shot and killed by the police in a town not far from me. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-shot-by-newton-poli...

So of course the circus shows up https://patch.com/massachusetts/newton/newton-residents-prot...

There were certainly failures that led to this man's death, but all of the failures happened before he picked up the knife and went downstairs to the candy shop. I don't see how protesting the police helps.

Also the MSM seems intent on telling me the only acceptable thought is that Bruce Jenner is a proud, strong, beautiful woman. I don't think I want them as the arbiters of reality.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by dragonwriter »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #982
nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

Here's some perspective. A man was shot and killed by the police in a town not far from me. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-shot-by-newton-poli... So of course the circus shows up https://patch.com/massachusetts/newton/newton-residents-prot... There were certainly failures that led to this man's death, but all of the failures happened before he picked up the knife and went downstairs to the candy shop. I don…

> Also the MSM seems intent on telling me the only acceptable thought is that Bruce Jenner is a proud, strong, beautiful woman

This is weird, because while I’ve seen this specific complaint with alight variation in wording enough to think it must be a potent right-wing meme (in the Dawkins replicating unit to of behavior) sense endemic among a certain segment of the right, I've never actually encountered anything in the MSM approximating what it describes, and, despite that segment of thr right’s frequent use of it to paint the media as allies with the Left, also don't find that it describes the Left, either, which while it tends to accept that Caitlyn Jenner is a woman, isn't particularly inclined to agree with any of the other descriptors. (And is, in fact, attacked by a different segment of the Right for that, since Jenner is politically conservative Republican Christian trans woman.)

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by originalvichy »

shakkhar wrote: post #920
mleonhard wrote: post #841

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Your reply is whataboutism. Whataboutism is not part of respectful productive discussions.

It's not whataboutism. It highlights the hypocrisy of such "policy enforcement".

It is because Twitter is an older platform and obviously has an active moderation team. It seems either Parler is unwilling or overwhelmed to clean up shit.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Rapzid »

koolba wrote: post #399
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

They’ve been shifting the Overton window for years. Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a nationalist (which isn’t even a bad word but they make it sound like one) Are for the right to bear arms? Then you’re an uneducated hillbilly. Are for churches and other religious institutions to decid…

Holy hell. To anyone reading this; if you believe everyone not in your bucket is in the other bucket, and there are only two buckets.. I would caution you to step back and consider:

1.) Everyone not in your bucket is NOT in the other bucket

2.) Everyone not in the other bucket is NOT in your bucket

Your arguments just appear to be a bunch of straw men to me. I can't identify a single one of those as mainstream viewpoints. Nobody I know who voted against Trump holds them. I'm personally a "liberal" that owns guns and am against bans an buybacks.

People, please, be warry of people trying to convince you there is a binary set of beliefs and it's all-or-nothing.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Proziam »

dogwhistle111 wrote: post #980
Proziam wrote: post #815

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. The reality is that most Trump supporters are focused on economics and governmental overreach, not race. They are angry that businesses are shut down, and people are unemployed. They are angry that, over the past several decades, production in this country has dropped to near-nonexistence. They are angry that the loc…

Fair. It worth pointing out the 'stimulus' bill included next years government budget as well. So its not as simple as taking 2700 and giving 600 back. Most years they'd be taking 2100 and give nothing back. This year they decided to take 2100, borrow 600 from the central bank, and giving that 600 back

I excluded the omnibus spending from that number. Most folks, including myself, are appalled at how irresponsible the spending is. However, it would be intellectually dishonest to combine them to make that argument.

The stimulus component was roughly 900B, of which each American (there's roughly 330M of us) will only receive $600. Of course, this is all accomplished by [0]printing obscene amounts of USD and saddling Americans with a debt that will likely never be repayable. [1]At present, the debt to GDP ratio exceeds 130%.

[0] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/money/2020/05/12/coronavir...

[1] https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by 8ytecoder »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I’m not sure I want the media I watch 24x7 talking about snake oil salespersons. If it’s newsworthy - like say one of the snake oil salesperson actually provided an irrefutable or at least a plausible proof of snake oil working.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by e40 »

Ancapistani wrote: post #465
e40 wrote: post #414

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I saw a comment on twitter which went like this: What do you expect when Fox News and many other right-wing outlets are just lying all the time? When lawyers for DJT go into court and admit there is no fraud and then go out to the steps of the courthouse and give a press conference saying there is fraud and it must stop. Fox News, et al are talking about this non-stop since the election. Just think of all the people…

For what it is worth, the vast majority of those who would be labeled as “far right” here on HN see Fox News as part of the problem, not a source of truth.

I never said there are far right people on HN, and frankly, I don't really see them. There are a few trolls that get their comments killed, but I don't count them.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by ketamine__ »

jimmydorry wrote: post #942
ketamine__ wrote: post #813

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Except Parler's app blows. It might as well be a web app. I guess it's hard to find talent when talented people don't want to work with right wing kooks.

Can’t you say the same of reddit? The reddit app is actually worse and supports les features than the web version.

No, the reddit app is great.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by AvocadoPanic »

dragonwriter wrote: post #983
AvocadoPanic wrote: post #982

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Here's some perspective. A man was shot and killed by the police in a town not far from me. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-shot-by-newton-poli... So of course the circus shows up https://patch.com/massachusetts/newton/newton-residents-prot... There were certainly failures that led to this man's death, but all of the failures happened before he picked up the knife and went downstairs to the candy shop. I don…

> Also the MSM seems intent on telling me the only acceptable thought is that Bruce Jenner is a proud, strong, beautiful woman This is weird, because while I’ve seen this specific complaint with alight variation in wording enough to think it must be a potent right-wing meme (in the Dawkins replicating unit to of behavior) sense endemic among a certain segment of the right, I've never actually encountered anything in…

Not so literally. The complaint is that 'Trans' is even a thing, that it seems the push isn't even to just tolerate the crazy but to celebrate it and it's being peddled to kids.
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