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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by rootusrootus » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:54 AM UTC

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I'll be honest -- I haven't really seen any cases where someone was deplatformed for a legitimate political view. By that I mean a viewpoint that is at least tolerant, if nothing else. If the argument against deplatforming is that people should be allowed to heap hatred on gay people or other minorities, then it's not a particularly strong argument.

Maybe this is just inherent to a conservative viewpoint, I don't know. If progressives are pushing for more freedom, more tolerance, then to oppose it you have to, by definition, advocate for less of those.

I like a spirited discussion, but I believe that intolerance is the one single thing we cannot tolerate. It destroys everything else.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by handedness » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:54 AM UTC

throw0101a wrote: post #638

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the population out of public debate, and they are powerless to stop it. Is it surprising that they are furious about it, and explode in unpredictable ways? Wouldn't you do the same? What did African-Americans do when they were marginalized for a century until the Civil Rights era of the 1960s? (And still are in many ways.) The folks you are referring to can say whate…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Slave_rebellions_in_t...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:54 AM UTC

sjg007 wrote: post #463

CyberDildonics wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically this mildly marginalized group seems to be very unforgiving of other marginalized groups. When they have to put their most extreme words on alternative websites they blame that preemptively for extremist actions. When other groups have been marginalized systemically by public infrastructure, violence and a lopsided legal system, they advocate personal responsibility as a solution for systemic problems.

The downvotes your post is experiencing is disheartening. Either there’s a big proTrump component of HNs or there are disinformation bots.

You broke more than one of the site guidelines with this. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here.

A corrective upvote would have sufficed. Notice that the comment you're talking about is no longer in a downvoted state.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

rmrfstar wrote: post #625

gamblor956 wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To follow up on caconym's comment, FBI has confirmed that more than a dozen explosive devices were found at the Capitol after the siege, including pipe bombs left in front of the DNC offices.[1] 5 people died. 50 officers were wounded, some seriously enough that they are still in the hospital. Multiple protestors had zip ties and other means of restraint on them, knives, and guns, and on their social media profiles w…

When you say "these terrorist attacks", do you have a concrete definition in mind? Or are you just expressing outrage and disgust? Because right now, people accused of terrorism can be held in Guantanamo without habeas corpus. They are also subject to inclusion on government "kill lists"[1] with no opportunity for judicial review. The executive branch is claiming powers it has not had since the time of absolute monar…

If a group of muslims rushed a barricade and put pipe bombs outside Republican offices in the Capitol because they disagreed with the outcome of a political election, what would you call this action?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by noofen » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #546

mchusma wrote: post #431

This is horrible. I have no interest in parlor, but to require all users on iOS to only be able to communicate in public forums that are moderated is a horrible outcome.

They can still use the web interface, right? It is only their app that is violating ToS. I think it would be different in Apple was blocking their DNS.

I'm sure we will see just that before the end of this year.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by _dark_matter_ » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

snowflake_ptr wrote: post #611

gamblor956 wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To follow up on caconym's comment, FBI has confirmed that more than a dozen explosive devices were found at the Capitol after the siege, including pipe bombs left in front of the DNC offices.[1] 5 people died. 50 officers were wounded, some seriously enough that they are still in the hospital. Multiple protestors had zip ties and other means of restraint on them, knives, and guns, and on their social media profiles w…

Seven people died in a single weekend of BLM riots[1], which happened throughout all of 2020 . That was also terrorism, yet no social media company deplatformed any Antifa- or BLM-related group. [1] https://www.insider.com/multiple-people-shot-dead-kentucky-i...

I hear you - I really do. Violence in any form cannot be condoned, especially death.

One thing I don't see mentioned is scale of death vs. scale of demonstration. There was a relatively small number of people in Washington, and in one day, much damage was done. 5 killed, O(100) injured, and the capitol overrun.

The demonstrations this past summer were on another level. It's estimated that 20 million [0] people were involved. Yes there was violence and people acting in bad faith. But as a percentage of total protests it is _far_ less. I believe this says something about the intent of both demonstrations.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

drak0n1c wrote: post #616

caconym_ wrote: post #594

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> I see nothing done except “use tribalism to decide.” I disagree. You don't need tribalism, for instance, to see that somebody spreading lies and conspiracy theories in a transparent attempt to undermine confidence in our elections is going to do an immense amount of damage to the institutions of our democracy if he isn't muzzled. We have to remember that truth is real, that people can act in good faith, and simply…

Who decides what counts as lies and conspiracy theory? What if they decide spreading the attitude that “all cops are bastards” or the notion that police shooting events are mostly motivated by bigotry a conspiracy theory that leads to additional violence and start banning tangential speech?

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by zaroth » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

dakial1 wrote: post #493

hilyen wrote: post #109

People don’t seem to understand, censorship is a double edged sword. You never know who will be in charge years from now and will abuse those very same good intentioned laws & we end up a police state.

People don't seem to understand what censorship is. Nobody is threatening throwing them in jail for saying anything, platforms are just saying "your speech is not welcome in my platform". They can still say whatever they want it in the streets. If they want a platform for it they can build it themselves....

> If they want a platform for it they can build it themselves...

Right, right. That’s working out well for Parlor.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by disgrunt » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:56 AM UTC

caconym_ wrote: post #630

atypicaluser wrote: post #599

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OP writes: > We just assume we're right. And you follow up by proving just how right he is. First you dehumanize your political opponents--"If a rabid cougar gets loose..."--then you tell us what we need to do--"we take whatever measures we have to to get rid of it for the greater good of society." And you claim it's the other side's speech that "is violent and damaging"? P.S. At the time of this reply, it's not the…

The point of the cougar analogy is not to dehumanize anybody. It is to demonstrate that sometimes problems exist ( problems as in configurations of reality that can be articulated as bad ), and that doing nothing is often not the solution that will yield the greatest good in a utilitarian sense. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm curious, though—would you just let the cougar do its thing? Like, if that literally hap…

I reject your analogy on it's face as a banal attempt to justify incivility and barbarism towards those in which we disagree.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by gamblor956 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:56 AM UTC

snowflake_ptr wrote: post #611

gamblor956 wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To follow up on caconym's comment, FBI has confirmed that more than a dozen explosive devices were found at the Capitol after the siege, including pipe bombs left in front of the DNC offices.[1] 5 people died. 50 officers were wounded, some seriously enough that they are still in the hospital. Multiple protestors had zip ties and other means of restraint on them, knives, and guns, and on their social media profiles w…

Seven people died in a single weekend of BLM riots[1], which happened throughout all of 2020 . That was also terrorism, yet no social media company deplatformed any Antifa- or BLM-related group. [1] https://www.insider.com/multiple-people-shot-dead-kentucky-i...

Literally none of the deaths in the article cited were related to the protests, they simply occurred while the BLM protests were going on elsewhere.

The article is in fact explicit on that point.