Parler, YouTube, Twitter and Facebook were definitely used to storm Congress. Snapchat, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter and Facebook also were definitely used to burn down parts of Minneapolis, Chicago, and LA. Massive Big Tech conglomerates must be busted through antitrust enforcement and Section 230 must be updated to ban predatory algorithms which have inflamed 7 years of sectarian chaos. It's not a free speech issue:…
I mean, IRC can do the same damn thing in a federated way.
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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…
Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments? Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.
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We already know from history what happens when large groups are disenfranchised from the public sphere. Violence. Lots of it. And once it starts, it's not easily stopped. Some welcome this because they think it can be managed for their own purposes. But once civil order breaks down, things simply accelerate with no possibility of talk being able to stop it anymore. It takes on a life of its own. Those who dream of th…
Ironically this mildly marginalized group seems to be very unforgiving of other marginalized groups. When they have to put their most extreme words on alternative websites they blame that preemptively for extremist actions. When other groups have been marginalized systemically by public infrastructure, violence and a lopsided legal system, they advocate personal responsibility as a solution for systemic problems.
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These platforms exist for the purpose of capturing content that has been “deplatformed”. >Speak freely and express yourself openly, without fear of being “deplatformed” for your views. Engage with real people, not bots. Parler is people and privacy-focused, and gives you the tools you need to curate your Parler experience. Parler frontpage. They have no intention of creating a real alternative to Twitter. Lets be hon…
You are twisting yourself into a logical pretzel to avoid answering. And no, harmful content does not get you deplatformed if it harms the right people: https://twitter.com/chineseembinus/status/134724760209453465...
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#465Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…
I saw a comment on twitter which went like this: What do you expect when Fox News and many other right-wing outlets are just lying all the time? When lawyers for DJT go into court and admit there is no fraud and then go out to the steps of the courthouse and give a press conference saying there is fraud and it must stop. Fox News, et al are talking about this non-stop since the election. Just think of all the people…
Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store
#466Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…
Then the internet. And their ideas were able to find purchase where they hadn’t, and to grow like a hateful tumor. Even then they were at least nominally a minority view. And then they found a path to power, and public vocal support became mainstream.
Perhaps there was such widespread support for violence and hatred and malice before, but it was so shunned it couldn’t find its voice. That’s a pretty grim possibility but I accept it’s a real one.
Or perhaps the attitude that all ideas are welcome combined with their amplification has expanded the base of people it could attract.
In either case, I’m less concerned about whether a hateful viewpoint has easy access to eyes and ears, regardless of the size of the population holding those views, than the impact it has on those they hate.
If (hypothetically) 35% of the population were literal nazis literally trying to get a genocide going, and the mainstream were trying their best with available measures to limit that possibility by excluding their views from most outlets commonly accessed by the remaining 65%, I’d say that’s a welcome relief for the most vulnerable among their targets.
I don’t know how society benefits from the presence of hate in the public debate. Sure, the people who espouse hate are left out and pity for them. But what does their view contribute that we don’t already know? Are we actually better off with their views being a part of shaping our future?
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Yes, the problem is this; I’m not interested in what someone who is dumb enough to storm the Capitol building has to say. And they aren’t interested in having a debate on the facts either, so what are we going to discuss? I don’t get how we can come together and make this better...
Honest question: Who do you consider the smartest Trump supporter? Do you think you have anything to learn from them by engaging in a good faith discussion? My point being maybe you think 95% of MAGA-hats are off their rocker, and Trumpism taken as a whole is grossly misguided. I don't really disagree. But is it possible that there's some core nugget of wisdom to take away. Something, perhaps that your current worldv…
Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store
#468Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…
No, it's not surprising that they explode in unpredictable ways. That's why you need the tanks and the guns for when they do, not just let them run roughshod over the basic concept of fact-based reality.
I wonder if you spent the summer complaining about police militarization?
Fact-based reality... IDK man. How would you ever know? The number of upvotes you get on your post?
Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store
#469Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…
Their legal cases are not being silenced though. They've been free to submit their many lawsuits and they've been rejected for not having any legal merit. The mainstream media gave them a platform for 5 years. When Trump announced that he was running for president, every media platform was reporting on it. We've been seeing and listening about this administration and it's supporters more than any other administration…
I’ve not seen one. Every one I’ve seen was dismissed procedurally before evidence was ever heard.
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Yah. It's like, before the_donald was banned: at least there was a grownup in the room reining it in some and it could be seen. But if you wholesale kick out the extremists, they make their own happy place where there's nothing to slow them down at all. (And then, in turn, you end up playing wack-a-mole with those cesspools, asking Apple/Google to deplatform them, etc.)
The flip side of that coin is that it also makes it harder to recruit people from broader platforms. When the_donald left reddit, it became impossible for them to get their propaganda seen on the front page of reddit and seen by people who might join them. People won't casually stumble into a cesspool of lies and BS. Now they have to know it exists and actively seek it out. I just googled "the donald" and they aren't…