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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

Reducing your fellow countrymen to an animal analogy is exactly the kind of dehumanization that has become commonplace in popular discourse. It's not enough that you disagree with them, they must be put down like some rabid beast.

We're on a path with this kind of thinking. If history is any guide, it doesn't end well.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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I get what you're saying but the other side of the coin is maybe the society at large is rejecting them. And they need to understand that they're not guaranteed an audience, If the society at large doesn't want to listen then they'll have to sloowly try to win some support. They seem to forget that many on the left fought tooth and nail historically for things we now consider for granted but society wasn't on board f…

If they were a fringe movement I'd be inclined to agree, but they're half the voter base. They can't possibly all be violent bigots.

Looking at the size of alternative online communities like Parler, they're definitely not half of the voter base. Majority of republicans seem to not have a problem with mainstream platforms, only a small minority gets banned.

And it is really easy to see they are a minority. Most of alternative platforms like Parler have a small number of users and attract a very narrow audience which talks only about politics. Usually these sites have bad user experience which means there's not a lot of designers who would want to work for them, they are really bad in technical execution meaning there's not really many programmers who want to work for them. They don't advertise meaning there's not a lot of marketing experts wanting to work for them. There's not a lot of investors willing to invest in those platforms, no one wants to advertise on their sites. All this can lead to a conclusion that the users affected by deplatforming and censorship on mainstream social media is a really small group of people. They believe they are half of the voter base, while in reality the majority of society, from conservatives to liberals, rejects their world views and this is why they are marginalized.

If it was really half of the voter base they wouldn't have any issues. There would be some viable, popular alternative social media platforms used by that half of voter base. Among that half you'd have no issue with finding anything you need to have a widespead, catch-all platform - you'd find investors, you'd find companies willing to advertise, the user base would have diverse interests so that you can discuss anything on those platforms like on mainstream social media, and not just politics, conspiracy theories and memes. The fact that they constantly can't find support means that they are a fringe movement.

It's simply not possible that all investors, programmers, designers, hosting companies, payment processors, advertisers, etc. are all run by the left half of the voter base. That is simply statistically unlikely.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

The person who posted is still active on Twitter - https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/styles/article_d... Double standard much?

Kathy Griffin lost her job at CNN and faced a lot criticism from all walks of life at that time. So it wasn't like she didn't face consequences at that time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Griffin#Depiction_of_Don...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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There is no going back. It is because the “winning” side is actively doing their best to demonize everyone who doesn’t fit into their mold. So much for reconciling differences.

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Nice strawman argument there. Believe it or not, not everybody who likes Trump is a nazi or racist.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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These platforms exist for the purpose of capturing content that has been “deplatformed”. >Speak freely and express yourself openly, without fear of being “deplatformed” for your views. Engage with real people, not bots. Parler is people and privacy-focused, and gives you the tools you need to curate your Parler experience. Parler frontpage. They have no intention of creating a real alternative to Twitter. Lets be hon…

You are twisting yourself into a logical pretzel to avoid answering. And no, harmful content does not get you deplatformed if it harms the right people: https://twitter.com/chineseembinus/status/134724760209453465...

FWIW linked comment has been moderated.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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To follow up on caconym's comment, FBI has confirmed that more than a dozen explosive devices were found at the Capitol after the siege, including pipe bombs left in front of the DNC offices.[1] 5 people died. 50 officers were wounded, some seriously enough that they are still in the hospital. Multiple protestors had zip ties and other means of restraint on them, knives, and guns, and on their social media profiles w…

Seven people died in a single weekend of BLM riots[1], which happened throughout all of 2020 . That was also terrorism, yet no social media company deplatformed any Antifa- or BLM-related group. [1] https://www.insider.com/multiple-people-shot-dead-kentucky-i...

Were those killed mostly protesters, law enforcement or non-participants?

It makes a fairly big difference surely? It's odd that nobody seems to mention that aspect when they bring this up.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I'm not an American or in the US, but it seems to me that the Supreme Court could likely have prevented all this, instead of dismissing the Texas suit with a two sentence response.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the population out of public debate, and they are powerless to stop it. Is it surprising that they are furious about it, and explode in unpredictable ways? Wouldn't you do the same?

What did African-Americans do when they were marginalized for a century until the Civil Rights era of the 1960s? (And still are in many ways.)

The folks you are referring to can say whatever they want: they have Fox, OANN, and Newsmax. They can set up phpBB to have online discussions. Mastodon and IRC are open source and distributed. They can rent a hall and have meetings and sign up as candidates for various political offices and put forward their platforms on Wordpress-powered sites.

They can say whatever they want on myriad of platforms. But that doesn't mean anyone else has to listen.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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post #117

Imagine owning a phone that can only get content approved by Apple and can cancel you for any arbitrary reason. Its like buying a radio that can only listen to democrats approved stations, its ridiculous and yet the fanboys will defend their shitty practices no matter what

Apple doesn’t censor Safari.

They instead cripple it by restricting important functionality to native apps, e.g. WebGL and push notifications, and by preventing users from modifying the system to remove these artificial limitations.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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To follow up on caconym's comment, FBI has confirmed that more than a dozen explosive devices were found at the Capitol after the siege, including pipe bombs left in front of the DNC offices.[1] 5 people died. 50 officers were wounded, some seriously enough that they are still in the hospital. Multiple protestors had zip ties and other means of restraint on them, knives, and guns, and on their social media profiles w…

When you say "these terrorist attacks", do you have a concrete definition in mind? Or are you just expressing outrage and disgust? Because right now, people accused of terrorism can be held in Guantanamo without habeas corpus. They are also subject to inclusion on government "kill lists"[1] with no opportunity for judicial review. The executive branch is claiming powers it has not had since the time of absolute monar…

Technically speaking, it would be domestic terrorism. As citizens they should be afforded due process rights.

One could argue "terrorists" as you're defining re Gitmo should as well, but that's a different topic.

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