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Post by sjg007 »

aksss wrote: post #521
gamblor956 wrote: post #391

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These groups became violent while still enfranchised. And they're still enfranchised: they can still vote, and still post to the internet, and still talk to people outside. They simply no longer get a free internet loud speaker to envangelize to others.

We've spent a couple years now (right?) tacitly approving rioting as an acceptable response to feeling disenfranchised. Now we're surprised when the same medicine gets used by others. For either side, I'm not sure it's proper minimize their complaints. If the BLM crowd says they have a serious problem with police violence, the best reaction is, "what can we do to restore confidence?" Similarly, when 40% of the countr…

The best thing is for republicans to admit that they are lying about election fraud.

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Post by aksss »

colinmhayes wrote: post #510
koolba wrote: post #399

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They’ve been shifting the Overton window for years. Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a nationalist (which isn’t even a bad word but they make it sound like one) Are for the right to bear arms? Then you’re an uneducated hillbilly. Are for churches and other religious institutions to decid…

Nationalist is absolutely a bad word. Patriot is a good word. Nationalism is what happens when patriots stop thinking critically.

But we can agree that not every interest in national well-being is bad.

I think that's what GP is saying - talking about (for instance) NATO members contributing their contractually agreed funding to the organization and aligning with our own contractual commitment seems like a sane position, but when it's called "nationalist" either the word isn't bad anymore or the level of hyperbole is so off the charts that the accusation doesn't mean anything. Many other examples of the "nationalism" criticism that have been pretty hyperbolic in the last four years.

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Post by Terretta »

nicbou wrote: post #153
bjtitus wrote: post #47

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

> I find it implausible half the population is dumb

Half the population is dumber than average.

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Post by bseidensticker »

jpttsn wrote: post #496
Tokkemon wrote: post #454

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It's far more likely that half the population has been duped into following someone because of clever conniving. Trump knew exactly what to do to build up that base and now that their head is gone, the chicken is running around in the yard with no direction wondering what the hell happened. Once the dust settles, I think a lot of those people will reintegrate into society, especially if they start to receive the bene…

I very rarely hear this hope expressed and I struggle to believe it—can you elaborate?

Different poster, but I share the same hope. Most people won't put their life on the line for the revolution if their life is sufficiently comfy. Revolutions only happen when people have no other choice. When it's revolt or die, you revolt. When it's revolt or watch netflix, most people watch netflix.

We'll see if it's different this time, but I bet this time will end up like all the other times it has felt like "the end of civilized society". Society just keeps putting along.

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Post by nnspired »

Quinner wrote: post #525
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Five years ago civil society was in general agreement that racism was bad and that we should respect the democratic process instead of seeking to violently overthrow it. Of course there were people who disagreed but they were at the margins and their voices were isolated to a few forums most people never heard of. A demagogue came along and used mass media platforms to destabilize the norms of civil society and give…

There is no going back. It is because the “winning” side is actively doing their best to demonize everyone who doesn’t fit into their mold. So much for reconciling differences.

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Post by mzs »

dmitrygr wrote: post #514
mzs wrote: post #508

>Anyone who buys an Apple phone is apparently a user. Apparently they know what is best for you by telling you which apps you may and may not use. Apparently they believe Parler is responsible for ALL user generated content on Parler. Therefor by the same logic, Apple must be responsible for ALL actions taken by their phones. Every car bomb, every illegal cell phone conversation, every illegal crime committed on an i…

Which part of what he said do you feel is incorrect? Facebook and Twitter indeed are not being held to the same standard. They have a 0% chance of being removed from any app store no matter what. Hell, the whole time Twitter allowed Trump to tweet and gave him a platform, they were threatened with app store delisting precisely 0 times.

All I'm saying is that likely this time tomorrow Parler will be no longer available on the Apple App Store based on the contents of that post.

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Post by dilap »

leshenka wrote: post #528
dilap wrote: post #515

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What good does that do you if the best hardware is locked down and they won't allow decentralized apps, though? If the web were invented today, there's not a chance in hell Apple would approve a web browser as an app. If you really think about that, I think you'll agree that current app store policies are harmful to innovation and harmful to society as a whole. At the end of the day, tech can only get you so far. You…

> there's not a chance in hell Apple would approve a web browser as an app Thankfully, there is a web browser. But corporations want us to use apps instead of web browser to restrict this. Like, everything must be an app. Every social network basically forces their app down your throat. "Ew you use a browser, what a loser"

I am very grateful there is a web browser. But whatever is the next web browser can't even be invented today (perhaps), because we no longer have free computing platforms.

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Post by LetsPlayNice »

e5india wrote: post #518
nicbou wrote: post #303

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If they were a fringe movement I'd be inclined to agree, but they're half the voter base. They can't possibly all be violent bigots.

> They can't possibly all be violent bigots. And yet Parlor is being de-platformed specifically because it refuses to police the portion of the conservative conversation that is so. It's not because they believe in smaller government or lower taxes. Conservatism plays this game where it uses this violent rhetoric casually and then acts all surprised when its own members act on that rhetoric. They tell each other that…

The violent groups that organized on Facebook, does anyone feel Google or Apple should penalize Facebook for allowing that to occur? Should all Facebook users be deplatformed?

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Post by analog31 »

nicbou wrote: post #153
bjtitus wrote: post #47

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

In my view, ever since the "deplorables" gaffe, the left has been bending over backwards to pretend to take the "base" seriously instead of just dismissing them as cretins. Naturally the leaders of the "base" are going to take advantage of this.
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