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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by gpm »

Ancapistani wrote: post #469
henliher wrote: post #357

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Their legal cases are not being silenced though. They've been free to submit their many lawsuits and they've been rejected for not having any legal merit. The mainstream media gave them a platform for 5 years. When Trump announced that he was running for president, every media platform was reporting on it. We've been seeing and listening about this administration and it's supporters more than any other administration…

Could you point me to an example of a case dealing with election fraud or mishandling that was decided on its merits? I’ve not seen one. Every one I’ve seen was dismissed procedurally before evidence was ever heard.

I'm not sure if any complaint was dismissed solely on the basis of the evidence, and not also because the plaintiff also failed to do other things like show that the court actually had article 3 jurisdiction, but certainly many courts found the evidence and legal arguments lacking enough to dismiss the case, in addition to finding that it would independently need to be dismissed for other reasons.

For example, see section F starting on page 22 of this ruling https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.1255923...

The legal arguments being so bad that they failed procedural is not a defense for the Trump side, it's a demonstration of how badly they are failing to make a case at all. The easiest part of an allegation of fraud is to not fail on procedural grounds.

Edit: I mean - actually - easier than that is not being so aware that your evidence is lacking that you try and claim a case is and isn't about fraud in the same oral argument - but that's just a particularly special brand of incompetence and flailing that I've never heard of outside of the Trump campaign lawsuits... https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/hear-it-for-yourself-r...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by kmbfjr »

botwriter wrote: post #279
nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments? Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.

Maybe the right needs to understand that no corporation is required to give them their platform.

It isn’t “censorship” to toss your ass off Twitter for violating their TOS. It is censorship for the government to demand Twitter shut ya down

See the distinction?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by bluthru »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #132
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I get what you're saying but the other side of the coin is maybe the society at large is rejecting them. And they need to understand that they're not guaranteed an audience, If the society at large doesn't want to listen then they'll have to sloowly try to win some support. They seem to forget that many on the left fought tooth and nail historically for things we now consider for granted but society wasn't on board f…

>And maybe some ideas just aren't that appealing

Then there would be no need to ban them.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by eyelidlessness »

akamaka wrote: post #547
eyelidlessness wrote: post #485

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> Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. An infinitesimal part of the population and debate around border/immigration policy favors open borders. The framing of anything remotely mainstream as “open borders” definitely strikes me as a likely sign of racism. > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Yes. This is correct. > Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a national…

> > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. > > Yes. This is correct. Have you looked at the data of how many women are pro-life? Do you think half of women are misogynists? https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018...

Yes, I’m aware of zillions of examples of people actively participating in their own oppression. I think you’ll also find that not nearly as many women are actually anti-abortion as claim to be, at least in their own personal choices. And the women who are are perfectly comfortable forcing other women to carry pregnancies to term. How is that not misogyny?

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Post by lenkite »

spoonjim wrote: post #389
caconym_ wrote: post #374

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I can read quite clearly between the lines of your comment, but I’m still having trouble finding where in my comment I said that users calling for violence on social media should be exempt from sanctions if they’re left-leaning.

Also, beware the false equivalence between smashing a store window and stealing some crap vs. actually attacking a human being. They will use the word "violence" to describe both, rather than get into a definition war with them, just keep the distinction clear.

You mean like this: https://www.cleveland19.com/story/32814897/men-chant-black-l...

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Post by jpttsn »

riwsky wrote: post #562
jpttsn wrote: post #513

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It can’t possibly work like that, logically. Those being deplatformed are as certain as you are that they are right. I’ve been disillusioned about this e.g. in trying to have conversations about religion with believers. No matter how much better I think my case is, they will think their case is just as much superior to mine. For every time I double check my books, they double check theirs. Philosophically, I don’t th…

What are you checking books for? Run experiments. Don’t go to your books about dropping weights off Pisa, just _drop weights off Pisa_. I don’t care what people are certain of: either those weights fall independently of their mass or don’t. If you are treating it like philosophy instead of science, you’ve already lost the thread.

In other words, actual enlightenment era style DIY science.

But then how do I decide whether to recycle or not, vis-à-vis global warming?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by bluthru »

elliekelly wrote: post #383
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

They’re being de-platformed for the same reason the Marriott kicks a homeless person out of the lobby or Amtrak kicks a loud person out of the quiet car: most of the platform’s users don’t want them there.

If they're being a jerk and harassing other people I understand, but otherwise you would never encounter them.

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Post by vb6sp6 »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

"left" leaders aren't telling people to riot. They aren't mad because twitter is banning them. They are mad because someone is telling them to be mad

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Post by kmbfjr »

nnspired wrote: post #535
Quinner wrote: post #525

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Five years ago civil society was in general agreement that racism was bad and that we should respect the democratic process instead of seeking to violently overthrow it. Of course there were people who disagreed but they were at the margins and their voices were isolated to a few forums most people never heard of. A demagogue came along and used mass media platforms to destabilize the norms of civil society and give…

There is no going back. It is because the “winning” side is actively doing their best to demonize everyone who doesn’t fit into their mold. So much for reconciling differences.

You might want to do a little introspection as to why the “winners” want you to be remolded.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

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