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Post by shepherdjerred »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

A republican sees this election as an attack on democracy -- an election that was stolen. A democrat sees the election as a grab for power. Both are right in their actions from their own point of view.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by jmknoll »

nicbou wrote: post #153
bjtitus wrote: post #47

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

Is it really that implausible that half the population isn't willing to think critically about a nuanced problem, or to accept evidence that contradicts their desired narrative?

Statistics aren't always reliable, but somewhere around 1/3 of American adults believe that climate change is a hoax, and evolution is a lie.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by tanseydavid »

colinmhayes wrote: post #509
nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

>I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I don't fully understand their perspective. I don't think you've met enough people. Most people I've met are gullible idiots who are looking for excuses to believe nonsense.

In all seriousness, if most people you have met are 'gullible idiots who are looking for excuses to believe nonsense', then it may be you, perhaps, who has 'not met enough people?'

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Anon1096 »

mzs wrote: post #508

>Anyone who buys an Apple phone is apparently a user. Apparently they know what is best for you by telling you which apps you may and may not use. Apparently they believe Parler is responsible for ALL user generated content on Parler. Therefor by the same logic, Apple must be responsible for ALL actions taken by their phones. Every car bomb, every illegal cell phone conversation, every illegal crime committed on an i…

That sounds exactly correct to me. Apple isn't policing content on Twitter. It isn't policing content on Facebook. It isn't policing content on Reddit. And it most certainly isn't policing content on iMessage.

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Post by snarf21 »

mchusma wrote: post #431

This is horrible. I have no interest in parlor, but to require all users on iOS to only be able to communicate in public forums that are moderated is a horrible outcome.

They can still use the web interface, right? It is only their app that is violating ToS. I think it would be different in Apple was blocking their DNS.

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Post by akamaka »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #485
koolba wrote: post #399

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They’ve been shifting the Overton window for years. Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a nationalist (which isn’t even a bad word but they make it sound like one) Are for the right to bear arms? Then you’re an uneducated hillbilly. Are for churches and other religious institutions to decid…

> Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. An infinitesimal part of the population and debate around border/immigration policy favors open borders. The framing of anything remotely mainstream as “open borders” definitely strikes me as a likely sign of racism. > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Yes. This is correct. > Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a national…

> > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. > > Yes. This is correct.

Have you looked at the data of how many women are pro-life? Do you think half of women are misogynists?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018...

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Post by aksss »

sjg007 wrote: post #531
aksss wrote: post #521

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We've spent a couple years now (right?) tacitly approving rioting as an acceptable response to feeling disenfranchised. Now we're surprised when the same medicine gets used by others. For either side, I'm not sure it's proper minimize their complaints. If the BLM crowd says they have a serious problem with police violence, the best reaction is, "what can we do to restore confidence?" Similarly, when 40% of the countr…

The best thing is for republicans to admit that they are lying about election fraud.

I'm not convinced about a critical amount of 'fraud' in the election, but I think you're off your rocker if you think the US election system generally has sufficient controls in place not to be easily abused. This year saw even more loosening of the control structure because of knee-jerk reactions to perceived pandemic limitations (warranted or not, I don't care). I also don't care what your politics are or which team you root for, but from a systems perspective there are very obvious control deficiencies in how elections are carried out in this country.

Claims of fraud would be far, far, far easier to dismiss if a better control structure was in place. Maybe a national certification (a la NIST) that would be optional for states to adopt, but would at least would provide a framework for transparent state and local alignment (or misalignment) with best practice.

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Post by dkobran »

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

What exactly do you expect to learn from debating anti-semites, self-proclaimed Nazis, or people that are shouting “hang Mike Pence”? https://youtu.be/Fag0aC_M0_U

Today’s news: Joe Biden condemned the rioters who stormed the Capitol as “a bunch of thugs,” “domestic terrorists” and “white supremacists.” The president-elect specifically called out the rioters who wore shirts saying “6MWE.” “6MWE” is an anti-Semitic phrase that stands for “Six million wasn’t enough,” referring to the six million Jewish people who were murdered during the Holocaust.

If you feel like we are where we are because we’re not listening to these people than you can count me out. I have absolutely nothing to learn from a white supremacist or someone inciting violence. And likewise, they have absolutely nothing to contribute to political discourse.

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