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> On the other hand, if what they're asserting is crazy and unsupported by fact, what's the alternative? How is this any different from the entirety of human history? America has gotten along quite fine without a central Ministry of Information directing what people should and should not believe is true. It is especially galling to think that some content moderators in the very narrow slice of society in Bay Area tec…
> We've reached the point where the American left is afraid of the idea of free speech. Not only that, but people like you and me who comment in defense of it are fading from the major platforms. For each of us who grew up with free speech as the cornerstone right in a free and just society, there seem to be many others who did not ever care about this, or actively seek to destroy it for the benefit of their own grou…
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is really time to bridge the divide and come together. "Fuck your feelings". I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times where the right has suggested "bridging the divide". Instead it's "patriot" this, "traitor" that, and so on. And all the while any conciliatory efforts are ignored. One side clearly isn't interested in this bridge. But constantly expects the other side to make concess…
> Fuck your feelings Good point. Well said.
"You want to make this marriage work? You, wife, have to work harder at it, keep trying. I know he says he's not interested and keeps mocking you when you do, but that's not the point. What this marriage needs is you continuing to try and try harder."
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
> On the other hand, if what they're asserting is crazy and unsupported by fact, what's the alternative? How is this any different from the entirety of human history? America has gotten along quite fine without a central Ministry of Information directing what people should and should not believe is true. It is especially galling to think that some content moderators in the very narrow slice of society in Bay Area tec…
> We've reached the point where the American left is afraid of the idea of free speech. Not only that, but people like you and me who comment in defense of it are fading from the major platforms. For each of us who grew up with free speech as the cornerstone right in a free and just society, there seem to be many others who did not ever care about this, or actively seek to destroy it for the benefit of their own grou…
I do think that Twitter and Facebook need to be exceptionally careful and use their powers more sparingly, but there's absolutely no reason that they should have to repeat people literally coordinating and normalizing shooting elected officials, like many threads on Parler are at the moment--- speech that almost everyone agrees is not protected by the First Amendment anyways.
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#334Just ban it and don't let it back, lets be done with this.
Moving the discourse further away from the light won't help cure the divide in this country. We need more discussion, not less. We need to get both sides talking to each other not to themselves about each other.
That's because no one has heard from the fucker since he got booted.
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Are you unironically contesting that popular social media was used to organize riots and massive property damage last summer?
> Are you unironically contesting that popular social media was used to organize No, everything must be organized, I get that. > riots and massive property damage last summer? I'm asking for a source regarding the accusation that they were used to "burn down parts of Minneapolis, Chicago, and LA" And before you ask, yeah, I take issue with the idea of most of those events being called "riots" - they were almost entir…
Most of the people at the capitol on the 6th were peaceful too. However, those "mostly peaceful" riots this past sumer resulted in billions of dollars in property damage, dozens of deaths, and a massive spike in crime (including violent crime). Many of these rioters were either bailed out by politicians (including the incoming VP) or simply refused to be prosecuted by local DAs.
Now, I have no doubt that there was police brutality against peaceful protesters, which is horrible and inexcusable. I also think there are many legitimate grievances against the police. I even understand (though do not condone) the attacks made against police precincts and federal buildings.
But the suffering inflicted upon innocent civilians by the rioters is completely monstrous and likewise inexcusable. There is no honest moral framework to justify it.
It was also incredibly counterproductive. With the excesses taken by police on behalf many governors during the lockdowns, this past year has possibly been the best time in decades to introduce bi-partisan police reform. The riots effectively killed that because many people would rather support the police (who are at least nominally there to protect them, even if they frequently stood down to the rioters) than they are to support the people threatening to loot and burn their homes and businesses.
> I take issue with the emphasis on "property damage" as property is fairly meaningless when you fear for your live or live paycheck-to-paycheck.
That's pretty obviously not true. If you are living paycheck-to-paycheck and your home (apartment, house, whatever) or the place where you work is destroyed you are going to care a great deal. Even if it is just your car - you might night be able to afford a new car, but without the car you might not be able to get to work and thus lose your job.
> America has an unhealthy obsession with "property damage" as if it should be the driver for any sort of discussion on societal issues, when in fact, it should not be.
"Property damage" isn't some abstract thing. It's the destruction of peoples homes and livelihoods. It is the very means by which we live. Even if we lived in a perfect socialist utopia with no private property, it should be fairly obvious that the destruction of the communal property that houses and supports the community would be a serious offense.
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Lets start off there, anything related to violence/physical harm has no place, anything else, its totally fair game, and is protected by the 1st amendment. I assume you mean is -not- protected. > If you think Parler does a poor job of moderation and stuff being said on there offends you, guess what, don't download the app and don't use it. And if Apple thinks they're doing a poor job, don't post it in their app sto…
> If Apple thinks the violent content on Parler is out of control and needs moderation, isn't that Apple's own decision? Apple/Google are utility level companies and effectively control almost all of the apps/phones OS in a majority of US citizens smart phones. This leads to a really slippery slope where what if you as an individual say something people in power do not like? You get fired thats for sure, then Chase y…
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is extraordinarily tame in the scheme of American history. And as someone who lives in one of those areas of the country constantly scorned, belittled, and caricatured, I can say with confidence that you do not want those people to act in kind to Antifa. There's been a lot of living vicariously through Antifa/BLM lately with portions of society that want to "stand for something." It's the same mentality as peopl…
There is nothing at all patriotic about what these people did. There is nothing peaceful about what happened this week. These people demand Constitutional rights while trampling all over that very document. They are not “patriots,” they are traitors.
What we're seeing is this being used as a blunt instrument to suppress the non-extremist components of that disagreement.
That "non-extremist" component is patriotic. It is extremely large and also very angry. Treating them as if they are the same as the people who did this is ill-advised.
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#338hardcore leftists weren't using twitter and other platforms to incite violence?
The difference is how the platform responds. Parler tolerates it, while Twitter and Facebook typically remove such content. Broad strokes, but those are the ones that get seen right?
There's a double standard and it shouldn't be that hard to condemn violence no matter what side it comes from.
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#339There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.
It is incredible that people who have benefited from America's free society are now so ready to give up their commitment to the principles of free speech as soon as they get a taste of power through their monopolistic tech/social media platforms.
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Lets start off there, anything related to violence/physical harm has no place, anything else, its totally fair game, and is protected by the 1st amendment. I assume you mean is -not- protected. > If you think Parler does a poor job of moderation and stuff being said on there offends you, guess what, don't download the app and don't use it. And if Apple thinks they're doing a poor job, don't post it in their app sto…
> If Apple thinks the violent content on Parler is out of control and needs moderation, isn't that Apple's own decision? Apple/Google are utility level companies and effectively control almost all of the apps/phones OS in a majority of US citizens smart phones. This leads to a really slippery slope where what if you as an individual say something people in power do not like? You get fired thats for sure, then Chase y…
And finally we arrive to the crux of the problem. Sounds like they should be regulated, yes?
There's no need to drag the 1st amendment into the discussion at all, because this really has nothing to do with it.