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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by caconym_ »

RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #260
caconym_ wrote: post #191

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What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

But the thing with these sweeping generalizations of "them" as being violent and damaging is - who gets to define what is violent and damaging? Glenn Greenwald, who I respect a lot and was instrumental in breaking the mass surveillance in US by intelligence agencies recently spoke about these very issue: " My insistence that we look at the other side of the ledger — the costs and dangers not only from such attacks bu…

I’m not talking about government suppression of speech. I’m talking about society itself rejecting a certain kind of speech, by the actions of private citizens and organizations, and generally having an awareness of the fact that two sides of an issue are not always equally right.

We have to do our best. The fact that it’s a hard problem to solve without going too far doesn’t give us license to throw up our hands, cast off from reality, and inhabit a dreamland where there is no difference between a truth and a falsehood.

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Post by decebalus1 »

beerandt wrote: post #286
eloff wrote: post #145

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The first amendment doesn't apply to private platforms or spaces. Perhaps it should when those platforms develop monopoly levels of control over distribution.

The 14th amendment applies right now, as is. It's as much of a civil rights issue as it is freedom of speech.

Does it tho?

The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. Arguably one of the most consequential amendments, it addresses citizenship rights and equal protection under the law and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War. The amendment was bitterly contested, particularly by the states of the defeated Confederacy, which were forced to ratify it in order to regain representation in Congress. The amendment, particularly its first section, is one of the most litigated parts of the Constitution, forming the basis for landmark Supreme Court decisions such as Brown v. Board of Education (1954) regarding racial segregation, Roe v. Wade (1973) regarding abortion, Bush v. Gore (2000) regarding the 2000 presidential election, and Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) regarding same-sex marriage. The amendment limits the actions of all state and local officials, and also those acting on behalf of such officials.

I fail to see how Twitter acts on behalf of government officials.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by anigbrowl »

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #196
tptacek wrote: post #146

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So am I.

That was nothing. Insurrection my ass. Call me when the political assassinations start.

I mean there's already been lots of politically-motivated mass shootings, murders, and murder attempts in recent years, so it's really just making it official.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by mullingitover »

Jommi wrote: post #305
mullingitover wrote: post #238

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The difference here will be the whether Parler was negligent. If they had calls for violence on their platform that were reported to them, and their community moderation team was so short-staffed that they didn't act on them, Parler could have culpability. Facebook, et al have moderation mechanisms that can probably withstand scrutiny, but Parler sounds like an extremely lean operation that the discovery process may…

I don't get it. Excuse the analogy but are you staying that if someone plans a protest in my Minecraft server, and the protest turns violent - I can be held to blame for that?

If someone told you people were plotting to overthrow the government on your minecraft server, and you didn't act on that, you could be culpable if that report turned out to be true. If people died, their next of kin could hold you accountable for civil damages in a wrongful death suit.

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Post by zionic »

mmastrac wrote: post #8

Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known things were going to get bad. The right and the associated white supremists have far too much freedom to spread disinformation, racism and hatred. I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy.

The only difference between insurrection and resistance is corporate sponsorship.

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Post by factorialboy »

FireBeyond wrote: post #229
factorialboy wrote: post #91

If you are a liberal / progressive and your outlook is medium to long-term, this is the last thing you want Apple to do. Denying people their voice makes them more dangerous. Let's give them a means to vent out / express themselves. Violent subgroups / individuals can be addressed, but please don't deny the __entire__ opposition their voice. The last thing you want is for the conservative movement to be hosted on a C…

> It is really time to bridge the divide and come together. "Fuck your feelings". I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times where the right has suggested "bridging the divide". Instead it's "patriot" this, "traitor" that, and so on. And all the while any conciliatory efforts are ignored. One side clearly isn't interested in this bridge. But constantly expects the other side to make concess…

> Fuck your feelings

Good point. Well said.

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Post by subsubzero »

mlyle wrote: post #281
subsubzero wrote: post #266

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First: >Threats and actions to commit treason should be handled by authorities and prosecuted. Lets start off there, anything related to violence/physical harm has no place, anything else, its totally fair game, and is protected by the 1st amendment. If you think Parler does a poor job of moderation and stuff being said on there offends you, guess what, don't download the app and don't use it. Second: As far as ampli…

> Lets start off there, anything related to violence/physical harm has no place, anything else, its totally fair game, and is protected by the 1st amendment. I assume you mean is -not- protected. > If you think Parler does a poor job of moderation and stuff being said on there offends you, guess what, don't download the app and don't use it. And if Apple thinks they're doing a poor job, don't post it in their app sto…

> If Apple thinks the violent content on Parler is out of control and needs moderation, isn't that Apple's own decision?

Apple/Google are utility level companies and effectively control almost all of the apps/phones OS in a majority of US citizens smart phones.

This leads to a really slippery slope where what if you as an individual say something people in power do not like? You get fired thats for sure, then Chase your bank de-platforms you, you can no longer use their banking services(they have a right to remove you as customer like you said right?) or Verizon says they can no longer have you as customer as well? So you no longer can communicate electronically, or do banking. Lets go further, say Google shuts off your gmail account, you are basically put into the stone age for exercising a right guaranteed to you by the 1st amendment. Scary stuff and we are heading towards this dystopia sooner than you think.

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Post by guscost »

anigbrowl wrote: post #215
guscost wrote: post #65

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It was not an attempted insurrection. It was a show of force.

It was literally an attempt to prevent the Constitutional succession process from operating.

You are right that a few too many people actually had the idea that was a possible outcome.

But the crowd outside was chanting “Who’s house? Our house!” and just celebrating. Then almost everyone left and did not defy the curfew.

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