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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by postalrat » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:47 PM UTC

dhjdjdjdndhdbs wrote: post #101

I fear REAL violence is coming. If people feel trapped and their voices aren’t heard it is just going to create a spring release. Like a cornered animal. These political activist employees and executives are going to get real people killed in the name of owning the President. Everyone on every side is so wrong here it is heart breaking. Trump has truly broken both the Left and the Right’s minds of this country.

I think a lot of people on the left know what they did and said is wrong. And they only did it for what they thought was the greater good.

For now they can't even begin to consider how they might have been wrong.

(For the record I wanted Sanders to win the democratic nomination and have never voted for anyone on the right)

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by blisterpeanuts » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:47 PM UTC

admiralspoo wrote: post #202

Note that accounts such as Iran's Kamenei or those associated with groups in Pakistan, which have called for the destruction of Israel, are not banned https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir

Yet, Twitter, FB, and YT are quick to censor MEMRI and PalWatch, which actively report on vile speeches around the Arab and Muslim world about how Jews are descended from pigs and dogs, etc., the Holocaust was a hoax, on and on. Because "hate speech". Memri in particular, a non-profit translation service, had hundreds of its videos taken down, footage of these speeches and broadcasts, a valuable resource chopped off for political correctness.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by Darmody » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:47 PM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #198

I am no trump fan, but reading the two tweets that got him suspended confuses me. Neither of those two tweets encourages violence in any way. What am i missing? The two listed tweets are: “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” and…

Big tech wants to control who's able to speak, that's all. This whole thing will end up swallowing us all. You'll see.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by yanderekko » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

>It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly.

It's clear that people are trying to make this into a cultural moment where you either distance from / renounce Trump (which is almost costless given the immanency of his term's end) or you're treated as an unrepentant enemy of civil society. We're seeing pro-Trump hubs being systematically purged in various ways from a variety of platforms right now, and the symbolic value of moves like this is what's paramount.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by canoebuilder » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

This is wrong. This is not the way we want to go forward.

We have laws and courts to prosecute illegality.

It is urgent we translate the principle of Free Speech, from the country in which these platforms were founded, into an online context.

>Our public interest framework exists to enable the public to hear from elected officials and world leaders directly. It is built on a principle that the people have a right to hold power to account in the open.

What about the people who can never make it to elected office because their communication channels are nuked for WrongThink before their political lives can even get off the ground.

Do we want the realm of acceptable discourse set by an insular group with radical ideas?

I hope there's broad agreement the answer to that is no, even from those who see themselves at present mostly in line with the small group with radical ideas.

"It's a private business they can do what they want" is outdated thinking to address these issues.

I don't currently have the all the answers here.

But I do know we need answers to this problem.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by mrlala » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

>Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms?

Well as far as politics is concerned.. the US Government (and other governments) should make their own twitter like platforms which every active representative has an account, and ANYTHING (barring pure illegal) can be posted.

It doesn't even need to have an actual user base, it can just be somewhere to go to see what your politician is thinking.

In terms of the average person? There is no solution for one that is owned by a corporation. An offshoot of the above is the government could make a social media site that is covered under "free speech that the government cannot take away" and anything not blatantly illegal can be posted/said. I would not advocate for this though.. I think we have plenty of options.

But the one for politicians only is something that should be seriously considered.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by netsharc » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

davesque wrote: post #156

Rebelgecko wrote: post #54

Is it just my perception, or is their actual justification using the 2 quoted tweets kinda weak? Interpreting his boycott of an event as a call to violence seems like a huge stretch. It seems like they wanted to shoehorn a justification using his 2 latest tweets when the actual reason goes back further.

In light of everything that's happened this week, I think the first tweet could easily be interpreted as having been intended to further stoke his followers' outrage. The 2nd tweet, while somewhat factual, I think also came off as incendiary and divisive. What excuse does he have at this point for not attending the inauguration other than to make yet another spiteful statement to increase tensions and, therefore, inc…

I hate the guy, but TBH when I saw the tweet I just thought "Little baby can't even muster up some courage to show up, and he's throwing more tantrum... par for the course for him."

But now as I write this, I do realize, he didn't need to announce his no-show 12 days beforehand, he can just quietly not show up on the day, so this tweet does seem to be more of a signal to... well, incredibly, it's a signal for the members of his cult that they can attack the inauguration!

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by africanboy » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

maybe deplatforming politicians (all of them, no matter their role) it's not a bad thing.

there's an entire industry devoted to collect and spread their words, they certainly don't need twitter to be heard.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by deanCommie » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #168

Okay, let's retroactively suspend John McCain for singing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" on a hot mike. President George W. Bush should be suspended for invading Iraq on false or flimsy pretexts, resulting in 6,000 American soldiers killed and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Obama lied when he said "you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan" eleven times and this turned out not to be true (90% anyway). Sh…

https://twitter.com/LeftAccidental

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by tmpz22 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

pensatoio wrote: post #196

thatswrong0 wrote: post #4

They let him concede, waited a day, and then nuked him. It's too little too late, but I'll take it.

The looser does not have to concede. There's no requirement to do so, and there's precedent not to as well.

Surely there is an important difference between just not conceding and actively campaigning false allegations of voter fraud.