Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Laarlf » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:40 PM UTC

u10 wrote: post #108

I think more students need to study how the Nazis came to power; while violent attempts were made (Beer Hall Putsch) and low level political violence between various political factions, the Nazis did not gain power through those acts. Rather a slow burn, leveraging the democratic process in the Wiemar Republic. Violence now, but these people might eventually get it together and use the democratic political process to…

This doesnt really have anything to do with Nazis. This was a few people who were really unhappy with their government and who actually stood up against that. Something to respect, even if you do not agree with their point. Because if they get caught, you can be sure that they will spend a few decades jailed.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by _gx90 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:40 PM UTC

dvdhnt wrote: post #155

zionic wrote: post #64

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Are you unironically contesting that popular social media was used to organize riots and massive property damage last summer?

> Are you unironically contesting that popular social media was used to organize No, everything must be organized, I get that. > riots and massive property damage last summer? I'm asking for a source regarding the accusation that they were used to "burn down parts of Minneapolis, Chicago, and LA" And before you ask, yeah, I take issue with the idea of most of those events being called "riots" - they were almost entir…

>Furthermore, I take issue with the emphasis on "property damage" as property is fairly meaningless when you fear for your live or live paycheck-to-paycheck. America has an unhealthy obsession with "property damage" as if it should be the driver for any sort of discussion on societal issues, when in fact, it should not be.

Ah right, so the ends justify the means. It is OK to vandalise and destroy a small business if you feel bad and frustrated, but only if you share the corporate-approved politically correct opinion. Do you not see where this road ends?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by CraigJPerry » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:40 PM UTC

throwaway3699 wrote: post #32

tempsy wrote: post #23

Suddenly half the population is realizing the cons of centralized platforms. Curious if this moment sparks renewed interest in decentralized tech of yesteryear ie the good ol world wide web.

I do agree with you, though keep in mind that the previous version of the web worked great when it was run by engineers (that cared about silly things like freedom of speech) and not valueless executives.

Do you think decentralisation is the key? I’ve been thinking about it since yesterday and i’m leaning toward profit motive as the difference.

We were pretty centralised around a few locations like slashdot & newsgroups.

Walled gardens were a thing, here in the UK a service called CIX was popular but AOL is the big famous one.

It’s not that we communicated less, group messaging with non-techie friends was done over email - cue flashback to 300-message deep top-posted replies.

It’s not that we were better in any way, the anarchist’s cookbook cost many a high school several new sets of door locks. Back orifice was a thing and was used for real scummy purposes sometimes.

I landed at profit motive as the difference. Just before the era of spyware is where i’m thinking it fell apart but I’m not at all confident in my assessment.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by LukeShu » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:40 PM UTC

mudil wrote: post #137

Traster wrote: post #88

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Further escalation beyond storming the capitol? Becuase that's what tolerance has resulted in.

Exactly. Remember when this was OK? https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1047935416182235136?s=19

I just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. Are you saying that:

- What the pro-Trump crowd did on 2021-01-06 at the capitol building is essentially the same as what the anti-Kavanaugh crowd did on 2018-10-04 at the Hart Senate Office Building.

- And so, the actions themselves have not escalated; what has escalated is our sensitivity to them in that we no longer deem them as "OK".

? Or am I totally misreading you? Because if I understood you correctly, um, see what 'benmaraschino wrote.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by charwalker » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

To preserve liberty there must be no tolerance of intolerant behavior like terrorism, sedition and other criminal acts, and some might even say racism/sexism/etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by splaytreemap » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

subsubzero wrote: post #165

I don't understand what people don't get about the 1st amendment. A right to free speech, is set in stone in the US Constitution, a private company can enforce their own censorship, but having a company that wants to have the 1st amendment and is being forced to be shut down is not what the US is about. Threats and actions to commit treason should be handled by authorities and prosecuted. But someone saying they don'…

Pouring gasoline on the fire is kind of the point. Take away people's option to peacefully voice their opinion and violence is the only remaining option. The hope is that these people will commit more violence so that the government can use the violence as an excuse to criminalize their existence.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by CameronNemo » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

grillvogel wrote: post #3

hardcore leftists weren't using twitter and other platforms to incite violence?

The difference is how the platform responds. Parler tolerates it, while Twitter and Facebook typically remove such content. Broad strokes, but those are the ones that get seen right?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by anigbrowl » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

haram_masala wrote: post #205

malloreon wrote: post #100

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you're making the incorrect assumption that both sides of the discourse have valid positions. 1. what is a non-racist person supposed to say to a racist person to change their views? 2. why is it the non-racist person's responsibility to talk to the racist person? in the words of office space, "why should I change? he's the one who sucks."

Let’s not assume that one “side” is racist and the other isn’t. It’s both wrong and unproductive.

But racism isn't being attributed to any particular 'side' by that comment, which raises a valid question.

Racists do exist in considerable numbers and post prolifically online, so what should non-racists say to people like that?

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Post by botwriter » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

nicbou wrote: post #153

bjtitus wrote: post #47

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments?

Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.

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Post by mmastrac » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

nicbou wrote: post #243

mmastrac wrote: post #16

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They are spewing a constant stream of hatred and disinformation. Nothing of value was lost here.

I couldn't tell, since what they have to say never reaches my feed. However I've been reading comments like yours across every platform for over a decade. At some point I'm not sure if they're really all that, or if I was just conditioned to believe that, and to leave them out of the conversation.

I spent the last few days reading the donald site and it's just as bad as everyone says it is. Calls for refreshing the tree of liberty, calls for violence (in minecraft), etc.