Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by CodeMage » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:46 PM UTC

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #250

necrotic_comp wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a false equivalence, because the words of the president directly incited violence and resulted in an angry mob storming the capitol building. I would hope that if a left-leaning politician did the same that the same precedent would be applied.

> because the words of the president directly incited violence Do you have those words? I never saw them because they were censored apparently. Edit: lol HN, actually asking, chill out. Apparently asking for sources is just unacceptable. Here it is in text because I think they truth is important that n it’s entirety: ""I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslid…

Have you tried looking for them yourself? It's not really that hard. Here's the video, judge for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBa5b1Xri8w

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by midasz » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

BrawnLongHaul wrote: post #165

systemvoltage wrote: post #139

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You must have something to say besides it’s interesting?

Because, to me, it seems that any thought that differs from SV, left-leaning orthodoxy, is instantly flagged, downvoted, or deleted.

Quickly, to the victim-mobile...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by oramit » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

jccalhoun wrote: post #132

When people say anonymity online is bad and that having people use their real names would make people more polite, I point them to facebook comments.

Yeah, though I didn't agree with the "real names only" policy at Facebook I did think it would lead to better behavior.

That backfired spectacularly.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by SV_BubbleTime » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #104

king_magic wrote: post #45

Good. This was absolutely the right move from Facebook. Finally.

This is a textbook example of reining someone in for yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater when no fire exists, and inciting imminent harm against others.

Why do so many people that use the fire in a crowded theater example not know what it means?

Do you know that’s not really making the point you think it is? Do you know that it is legal to yell fire in a crowded theater?

The case so often referenced, was overturned.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by ashtonkem » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

The fact that Facebook and Twitter have taken more corrective action than congress scares me. Unfit to tweet, but he can keep the nukes? How can we expect to keep our republic if congress is so useless?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by exo762 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

jnwatson wrote: post #297

cabaalis wrote: post #236

I don't support how Trump has handled the election. Before, after, during. We would all be better off if he would stop this and uphold our tradition of peaceful transition of power. What I'm not seeing the media talk about is what difference does or does not exist between a group of people breaking into the capital (a political event at a political location) vs. cordoning off parts of a city, burning businesses, etc.…

The difference is massive. Destruction of property is an inconvenience. Literally interrupting the Congress' Constitutional duties is a whole new ball game. It is essentially the difference between vandalism and sedition.

> Destruction of property is an inconvenience.

You never have been poor, have you?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by levosmetalo » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:47 PM UTC

danhak wrote: post #302

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

Yes, this must be it. Must have nothing to do with the fact that he said "You're special, we love you!" to the people laying siege at the U.S. Capitol.

This must have been the first time in history that President of the United States openly supports people violently "fighting for democracy" against "elected president" of the sovereign country.

Wait what? But this time it's different, this time it's us / US.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by htsh » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:48 PM UTC

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #329

th0ma5 wrote: post #231

All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.

> ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated We must embrace intolerance to snuff out intolerance?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mechnesium » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:48 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #175

I don't like the thought of trillion-dollar advertising companies being the custodians of the platforms where (sadly) a majority of speech in the world happens. That being said, if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is? If you're a free speech maximalist you'll be opposed to any sort of "censorship" (then again, people with those view…

> if direct calls to violence and to insurrection against a democracy aren't grounds to take away your megaphone, then what is?

Are you suggesting that Trump made direct calls to violence and to insurrection? If so, that is patently false.

From Trump's actual Tweet on December 19th: "... Big Protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

All he did was call upon his base of supporters to exert their first amendment right to assemble. To suggest this was anything more than that is pure confabulation.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by hammock » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:48 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #317

hammock wrote: post #289

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>Is it someone's right to use a platform to push an agenda that leads to impacting other people's rights? Seriously?

>Seriously? I don't know what you mean by that.

Are you asking whether it's a good idea to restrict a citizen's advocating for their preferred government policy? Shut down think tanks and community organizers? These all push an agenda that leads to impacting other people's rights.