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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Natsu »

uncoder0 wrote: post #33
maxfurman wrote: post #22

If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

I keep seeing 'armed mob' posted everywhere without any evidence. What were they armed with? I watched the whole thing live from many angles and I saw plenty of people doing dumb shit like breaking windows and such. The majority just waltzed in took a tour and walked out. They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. edit: looks like at least one person was inside the capitol with a firearm and four others were…

I've heard a lot of people mentioning the pipe bomb, but that was at the RNC, so I don't know either, I have yet to see anyone substantiate it.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by duxup »

Facebook and their ilk aside I wonder how I would deal with this:

If I'm running a service (let's pretend I'm a bit better than facebook please) I would find it hard to keep the Trump account going for the time being:

There's a balance between allowing a form of free speech on the site... and dealing with folks who using their speech incite acts that are inherently undemocratic and if allowed to continue would incite violence, and acts that clearly have no regard for democracy or anyone's rights but their own...

I don't think there's any magic way of deciding this fairly, but I also think it is hard to ignore the implications of allowing for such things.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by moate »

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #32

> involving use of our platform to incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government. From my understanding the video that got banned asked everyone to go home peacefully but then continued to claim election fraud?

Yes, while also providing encouragement for those illegally entering the capital by calling them "loved" and "special".

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by signal11 »

faitswulff wrote: post #5

Anyone with a modicum of sense has been saying this should happen for years now.

Well, do democratic values (and facts, really) matter more than the sweet, sweet engagement metrics and ad revenue Mr Zuckerburg gets from the MAGA crowd?

Sorry if this comes across as bitter. I’m very disappointed at how the large social networks’ have conducted themselves at this point to the point that for a large swathe of the US and the UK, the facts don’t matter any more.

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Post by kevinmgranger »

rasengan wrote: post #23

Facebook is not a platform to have a voice. It’s a platform that harvests thoughts and publicizes the ones FB most agrees with while censoring those it does not. This is a slippery slope and, quite frankly, it’s the people that lose.

When you're more or less encouraging a coup, the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy couldn't be more applicable.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by drno123 »

gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #35
maxfurman wrote: post #22

If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government bu…

Exactly. BLM rioters created enormous damage yet I never saw any news that BLM/Antifa are indefinitely blocked from FB.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by goldenManatee »

speeder wrote: post #10

What exactly Trump said to spark this? All information I found is rumors, that he posted a video asking people to respect the police, stop the violence and go home. Anyone has seen the video and texts in question and can tell me? EDIT: mass downvoting people, seriously? I didn't even defend Trump (or Biden), I asked a question, I am from Brazil and wanted to know what happened.

People branding his flags and hats stormed the Capitol walls and Senate floor, as he delayed an eventual reiteration that the elections were rigged, they should be furious, but now they should go home and that he loved them very much and were very special people. There were nooses propped up, people died, and elected officials were bunkered. His close sources also reported that he watched on TV with manic joy at what people were doing in his name. Hence, the ban and mass 11th-hour resignations.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by willis936 »

maxfurman wrote: post #34
speeder wrote: post #10

What exactly Trump said to spark this? All information I found is rumors, that he posted a video asking people to respect the police, stop the violence and go home. Anyone has seen the video and texts in question and can tell me? EDIT: mass downvoting people, seriously? I didn't even defend Trump (or Biden), I asked a question, I am from Brazil and wanted to know what happened.

I've seen the video. It says to go home, but it also says that the election was stolen and that Trump won in a landslide. On balance it says more to encourage the mob than calm them down.

Especially in the context that the mob walked from a Trump rally where he personally encouraged violence on legislators for taking their victory away.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/how-donald-trump-rall...

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