Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by gambiting » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #58

uncoder0 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct the video all the platforms are using to justify the bans explicitly asked people to go home. Previously he had urged them to be peaceful which they mostly were as evidenced by the fact that no capitol staff or police were in any way injured during the incident. edit: Leaving my comment intact as there are people who have replied. VBProgrammer pointed out that a portion of my statement is not true. Th…

I’m sorry and I’m being serious. Why is he banned then?

Because the entire attack on Capitol yesterday can be tied directly to the speech he has made just before it. Just because no police/staff were harmed doesn't make it ok - after all, destruction of federal property and buildings carries a potential 10 year imprisonment penalty.

So not only he's encouraging criminal actions, but after these actions occurs he tells these criminals that he loves them. And yes, tells them to go home - great, but that's not a redeeming factor here.

So......is it still not clear why he's banned?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by cultus » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

adamsea wrote: post #41

sparker72678 wrote: post #3

Mark Zuckerberg: The shocking events of the last 24 hours clearly demonstrate that President Donald Trump intends to use his remaining time in office to undermine the peaceful and lawful transition of power to his elected successor, Joe Biden. His decision to use his platform to condone rather than condemn the actions of his supporters at the Capitol building has rightly disturbed people in the US and around the worl…

Crazy part is that one unelected guy (Zuckerberg)has this kind of power. To make this decision at his discretion. I mean it reads like something a head of state might say. Nonetheless, at least they are doing it.

I thought right-wingers respected private property rights? Surely you don't hold contradictory and illogical opinions, because the right also prides itself on "facts" and "logic?" Is this not true?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by lurker619 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

forgetfulness wrote: post #97

uncoder0 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct the video all the platforms are using to justify the bans explicitly asked people to go home. Previously he had urged them to be peaceful which they mostly were as evidenced by the fact that no capitol staff or police were in any way injured during the incident. edit: Leaving my comment intact as there are people who have replied. VBProgrammer pointed out that a portion of my statement is not true. Th…

Then doubling down on the narrative that drives these people, one that is directly opposed to peaceful transfer of power: the illegitimacy of the election results. That's an incredibly dangerous message from the President of the United States, he's telling them to go home in one sentence and riling them up in the other, that encourages further insurrection around his persona. Facebook is in the right not to allow tha…

This really reminds me of Antony's "Friends, romans, countrymen..." speech that is ostensibly peaceful and respectful but is actually riling up the crowd.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by themihai » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

taylus wrote: post #113

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

Yep. Fuck zuck, finally deleted my Facebook account because of this.

It may sound weird but I believe you have to thank Trump for this. Finally some good things come out of his mandate.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by BrawnLongHaul » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #139

aprdm wrote: post #44

Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

You must have something to say besides it’s interesting?

Because, to me, it seems that any thought that differs from SV, left-leaning orthodoxy, is instantly flagged, downvoted, or deleted.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by greenpolygon » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #58

uncoder0 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct the video all the platforms are using to justify the bans explicitly asked people to go home. Previously he had urged them to be peaceful which they mostly were as evidenced by the fact that no capitol staff or police were in any way injured during the incident. edit: Leaving my comment intact as there are people who have replied. VBProgrammer pointed out that a portion of my statement is not true. Th…

I’m sorry and I’m being serious. Why is he banned then?

His commentary on election fraud is seen as fueling the riot. Paraphrasing, the video comes across as: "you should go home. You're special and I love you. This is a fraudulent, illegitimate election and america is being stolen from you"

It's like people who start sentences with "no offense, but"

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by yuters » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #58

uncoder0 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct the video all the platforms are using to justify the bans explicitly asked people to go home. Previously he had urged them to be peaceful which they mostly were as evidenced by the fact that no capitol staff or police were in any way injured during the incident. edit: Leaving my comment intact as there are people who have replied. VBProgrammer pointed out that a portion of my statement is not true. Th…

I’m sorry and I’m being serious. Why is he banned then?

His speech condone their actions at first and then asks them to be calm and go home. You can't have it both ways.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by mateus1 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:22 PM UTC

I don't like Zuckerberg but I agree with this action. Trump is inciting violence and Facebook is not obliged to be an accomplice.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by dutchCourage » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:23 PM UTC

gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #35

maxfurman wrote: post #22

If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government bu…

I'm not following you, what's the link with BLM?

BLM is a response to (repeated) racist murders from the state and general systemic discriminations. Yesterday's riots were a response to losing a democratic election.

It's hard not to see why one is legitimate and the other isn't.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by uncoder0 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:23 PM UTC

lurker619 wrote: post #108

uncoder0 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep seeing 'armed mob' posted everywhere without any evidence. What were they armed with? I watched the whole thing live from many angles and I saw plenty of people doing dumb shit like breaking windows and such. The majority just waltzed in took a tour and walked out. They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. edit: looks like at least one person was inside the capitol with a firearm and four others were…

How do you feel about this video? https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1347028917685800961

I see a cop get pushed over then helped up by someone in a MAGA hat. I also see some scrumming with the police which is assault. I still don't see any weapons or any use of weapons on police. This scene doesn't look all too different than scenes we've been witness to for the last 6 months since June with protestors clashing with police.