Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by gameswithgo » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:34 PM UTC

hartator wrote: post #218

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Trump is just a regular president of a country. It's not surprising at all given his behavior. Being president doesn't excuse it.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

1. less taxes I am not happy with 2. immigrant children in cages 3. easing of environmental rules 4. pulling out of climate deal 5. pulling out of iran deal 6. lying about the election being a fraud, and causing insurrection 7. pardoning his criminal cronies

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by jbgreer » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:34 PM UTC

uncoder0 wrote: post #33

maxfurman wrote: post #22

If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

I keep seeing 'armed mob' posted everywhere without any evidence. What were they armed with? I watched the whole thing live from many angles and I saw plenty of people doing dumb shit like breaking windows and such. The majority just waltzed in took a tour and walked out. They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. edit: looks like at least one person was inside the capitol with a firearm and four others were…

Here's a list of items that are prohibited on the Capitol grounds, in the Capitol and visitor center, in the buildings and the galleries:

https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohi...

The gallery list includes: Firearms to include replica guns and ammunition. Weapons, to include, but not limited to, Black jack, sling shot, sand club, sandbag, knuckles, electric stun guns, knives of any size including razors and box cutters, martial arts weapons or devices. Explosives and explosive devices to include, but not limited to, Molotov Cocktails, components of a destructive device, and fireworks. Mace and pepper spray. Aerosol containers. Non-Aerosol spray except for prescribed medical needs. Battery operated electronic devices to include cellular telephones, electronic keys, cameras, video recorders or any type of recording devices. Electronic medical devices are permitted. Cans, bottles, food, and food containers, including all liquids. Creams, lotions, and perfume. Strollers. Briefcases, backpacks, and suitcases of any size

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by ffpip » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

viro wrote: post #232

taylus wrote: post #113

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Yep. Fuck zuck, finally deleted my Facebook account because of this.

You deleted your Facebook account, because they banned someone for inciting treason and sedition?

He deleted his account for the reason stated in the top comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25672752) about Facebook is changing their policies, now that Biden has been confirmed as president to suck up for the ad deals.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by alessivs » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

Detractors will be glad a president doesn't have an expansive voice, but the flip side of the coin is that one day it may be you, or a loved one, who is affected by similar actions for engaging in the wrongthink du jour.

From the look of the allegiance of the newly certified admin, it's not hard to entertain the possibility that in some distant future it may not be possible to criticize say, China, or Bill Gates, without facing repercussions comparable to denying the Holocaust–the difference being that this time, your social graph, preferences, biometric data, and metrics of online behavior are held against you, as a warrant.

Private companies and private interests can conveniently play the role of the data collection and profiling arm of the coercive capability of governments, or they simply use governments as proxies to exert coercion directly (as is the case with 'mandates'), if allowed to do so.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by wyldfire » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #241

I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…

I suspect that the fairness doctrine change is more of a symptom than a cause.

The FCC will have close to zero impact on twenty first century media.

I don't know how or even if we can fix this.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by matz1 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

th0ma5 wrote: post #231

All of these HN comments are defending shouting "Fire!" falsely in a theater under the guise of it being a slippery slope before all speech is lost. I have lost a lot of respect for these slippery slope arguments because they are easy to make and ignore the obvious problem which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated... Especially intolerant or harmful speech.

> which is that some speech shouldn't be tolerated

who get to decide what should/shouln't be tolerated ? harmful/harmful ? facebook ?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by koolba » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

rasengan wrote: post #23

Facebook is not a platform to have a voice. It’s a platform that harvests thoughts and publicizes the ones FB most agrees with while censoring those it does not. This is a slippery slope and, quite frankly, it’s the people that lose.

It's not a slope at all. They pushed it off a cliff.

Though the timing aligning with a new set of committee heads in the Senate is more than suspect. Zuck knows how easy it is for the government to break them up and he's trying to make amends for his original sin of not stopping Trump in 2016.

The argument that "this speech is too dangerous" can be made by anyone about just about anything. This isn't fire in a theater. It's political speech and disagreement. If you accept the outcome here, you or your children will one day regret it when their voices are the ones that are muffled.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by tartoran » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

hartator wrote: post #218

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Trump is just a regular president of a country. It's not surprising at all given his behavior. Being president doesn't excuse it.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

Virtually all his tweets have a tendency to disinform. He caused a lot of damage to the country during the pandemic, remember that? Why keep on giving Trump carte blanche? His social messages cause a lot of harm to the US.

I guess he's more welcome to GAB or any other radical social media. His followers will flock to him in a similar way as on Twitter or Facebook. Let him be relevant where people don't question him

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by oconnor663 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

There's no meaningful difference between Joe Biden's status yesterday and his status today. I get that pretending otherwise is a good way to frame FB in a negative light, fine, but it's also weirdly close to the deluded thinking of the people who attacked the Capitol building.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by nova22033 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #238

nova22033 wrote: post #151

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FYI: Fire in a crowded theater is NOT the analogy you want to use if you defend free speech(not that this action violates the 1A) https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-ha...

I didn't understand that post when it was written and I don't understand your comment now. How is this different from saying "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" is not a quote you should use if you are opposed to the government granting special benefits and privileges to blacks in pre…

People use "fire in a crowded theater" as a valid exception for the taking away your 1A rights. "Fire in a crowded theater" was used to as an argument to support government censorship of wartime dissent. Think of what that means. If Trump was planning a war on Iran, you would have no right to speak out against it because you'd be shouting "fire in a crowded theater"