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I’m sorry and I’m being serious. Why is he banned then?

Because the entire attack on Capitol yesterday can be tied directly to the speech he has made just before it. Just because no police/staff were harmed doesn't make it ok - after all, destruction of federal property and buildings carries a potential 10 year imprisonment penalty. So not only he's encouraging criminal actions, but after these actions occurs he tells these criminals that he loves them. And yes, tells the…

Fact check: Several police officers were harmed/treated for injuries. The crowd used chemical weapons (pepper/bear spray) on officers at several different times during the riot. No less than 2 improvised explosives were recovered from the scene. Please don't give into the "peaceful" narrative.

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tall...

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If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government bu…

Because tribal affiliation is completely unassailable by logic.

We are all still tribal, barely evolved monkeys, and our manifold cerebral cortex is merely a tool to invent rationalizations for the tribal emotions that well up from our limbic system.

This is, of course, on both sides.

On HN, the effect is even more pronounced, because "I am smart, therefore my opinions are more valid than average" coincides with "I have concocted this justification for my hypocrisy" to grant even greater surety in personal belief.

The LessWrong folks worked pretty hard to inform people of these sort of biases, but the effort thus far has completely failed.

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Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

Yep. Fuck zuck, finally deleted my Facebook account because of this.

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-releases-statement-telli... Someone described this video as taking a log off the fire while simultaneously pouring gasoline which I think is a fair characterization.

So basically you are saying: - Asking for peace isn’t enough - And. He really needs to stop believing his claim of fraud? Wild. Am I crazy or is everyone else right now?

You're crazy.

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Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

First thing that came to mind as well. 100% opportunism 0% conscience.

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The censorship you don't like always starts out as the censorship you like.

Whatever you think about Trump, it is not a good thing that 3 companies (Twitter, Facebook, Google) have the ability to effectively silence the democratically elected US President.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-releases-statement-telli... Someone described this video as taking a log off the fire while simultaneously pouring gasoline which I think is a fair characterization.

So basically you are saying: - Asking for peace isn’t enough - And. He really needs to stop believing his claim of fraud? Wild. Am I crazy or is everyone else right now?

Indeed asking for peace isn't enough if you're going to fan the flames in the same speech. That wasn't the time to reassert the legitimacy of his supporters' motives, he's not any citizen, the President of the United States should have sought to de-escalate the situation created by his mass movement in the US capital first and only.

The time to talk about their struggle was another. And that without going into the legitimacy of him disputing the election results or even the legitimacy of him leading a revolutionary movement at this point.

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Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

Like Trump is just a regular president of a country. It's not surprising at all given his behavior. Being president doesn't excuse it.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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I'm confused by why Facebook would suspend Trump, and worried about the precedent it sets - namely that tech companies' leaders and employees, who operate the digital public town square but are not subject to first amendment free speech law, will now censor anyone whom they politically disagree with.

The first reason I feel this is a bad decision is that it is selective enforcement. As an example, in Seattle, we have had BLM and antifa groups encouraging, inciting, and participating in all kinds of criminal acts - illegal assemblies, failure to follow police orders, property damage, physical violence, blockading of highways, arson, and of course the infamous CHAZ/CHOP autonomous zone incident. Why aren't all those accounts also banned when the damage they have caused is much more consistent and much more clearly an act of violence? Why weren't "journalists" streaming coverage of CHAZ banned from Twitch, Twitter, and Facebook for amplifying the message of those criminals? To this day, the 'Everyday March' group in Seattle (who blocks roads/highways) has used Instagram and Twitter to promote and coordinate dangerous, illegal acts daily. Every single day. And yet no action has been taken by big tech to censor them.

The second reason this doesn't make sense to me, is that I don't see clear evidence of Trump "inciting" people to break the law and storm the capitol. I may just be ignorant and unaware, so if someone could share the evidence I'd appreciate it. But as far as I can tell, there is no tweet or Facebook post where Trump explicitly tells people or encourages them to storm the capitol. Even claiming that Trump "condones" this act is a step too far, putting words in his mouth. I agree he hasn't condemned it explicitly, and that is despicable. But I am not seeing how Trump's posts incite violence, condone the storming of the capitol, or would materially encourage further violence. I get that he doesn't have to be explicit to have that effect, but that is not enough for me to feel that big tech is justified in censoring his posts.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Profiles in courage... Not.

Facebook created this mess. Not on purpose, but it has maximized the underlying cause of civil unrest by profiting and promoting the very thing that makes this all possible. The unfettered distribution of propaganda.

As long as sensationalism is rewarded with more attention, as long as ads payments are based on a fake metric, as long as oversight is eliminated and standards ignored, the media will continue its slide to the bottom. We are witnessing this happen in real time.

Attention is the currency of media. Ad tech enables and rewards this and is the root cause of the degradation and distribution of misinformation.

When the click became the goal, everything else fell by the wayside.

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