Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by chrisan » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #130

fullshark wrote: post #92

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See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-releases-statement-telli... Someone described this video as taking a log off the fire while simultaneously pouring gasoline which I think is a fair characterization.

So basically you are saying: - Asking for peace isn’t enough - And. He really needs to stop believing his claim of fraud? Wild. Am I crazy or is everyone else right now?

Would it be so bad to stop believing his claim of fraud after all such claims have been proven in court to be false?

At what point should a person stop believing their own claims?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by reccanti » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

Good. Now they should start deplatforming the other world leaders who are encouraging genocide in countries the US media doesn't pay as much attention to.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by Epokhe » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #178

BrawnLongHaul wrote: post #165

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Because, to me, it seems that any thought that differs from SV, left-leaning orthodoxy, is instantly flagged, downvoted, or deleted.

Saying something is interesting is not adding any value. It’s obvious that all this is very interesting, indeed.

It’s also interesting that you’re so worried by this comment. I found some value in the original comment because it highlighted a software company is doing it. Just relax.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by jtdev » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

kevinmgranger wrote: post #66

rasengan wrote: post #23

Facebook is not a platform to have a voice. It’s a platform that harvests thoughts and publicizes the ones FB most agrees with while censoring those it does not. This is a slippery slope and, quite frankly, it’s the people that lose.

When you're more or less encouraging a coup, the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy couldn't be more applicable.

I'm sure you were advocating for the silencing of BLM leaders who were encouraging violence during recent months too...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by beefee » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

For anyone that hasn't heard it, ten states have alleged Facebook entered into an unlawful agreement with a competitor to manipulate advertising auctions. [1]

[1] https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/ima...

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by xxpor » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

rohan1024 wrote: post #154

lalos wrote: post #69

Interesting how they sing a different tune once the other party finally gets certification of the election results, time to get 'cozy' with the new people in power and set up those dinners [1] and ad deals with them. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-hosted-zuckerbe...

Also, now this will overshadow the WhatsApp blunder. Great timing.

Whatsapp doesn't have enough penetration in the US for that to have ever mattered. I'd watch the EU for news on that front.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by dukeofdoom » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

jpsalm wrote: post #174

andrewclunn wrote: post #106

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Ah yes, either Trump is a cult leader who is threatening the very core of our democracy, or the election was rigged and we're about to get a Chinese style Manchurian candidate in the White House. I'm so glad that the media vigorously looked into these allegations of corruption and fraud, instead of dismissing them for partisan reasons, because then we might have a split, between people who get their information from…

The allegations were thrown out by every court they got brought to and by conservative judges as well. It's a farce and you're the sheep getting fleeced.

Well thats the problem, the suits were dismissed out of hand. Very little evidence presented. Despite something like 1000 people swore affidavits of violations. They should have taken the cases and heard the evidence. Foremost, I blame the supreme court, it chickened out from hearing the Texas Lawsuit, which was about the state Governors changing the election rules on unilaterally.

If you look at the spikes in vote counts on some of these graphs, its more than enough to warrant a hearing .

Now the people have lost faith in the courts.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by ehnto » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

genghizkhan wrote: post #12

"Therefore, we are extending the block we have placed on his Facebook and Instagram accounts indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete." At some point Facebook is going to have to take a stand on which one it is. Indefinitely or for the next two weeks.

The platform clearly wields significant soft power, and that should probably be acknowledged.

They are laying some of their cards bare here, but what I find funny is that if the president doesn't use Twitter, Instagram or Facebook as the dominant way to promote their message, they're not under the thumb of those platforms either.

Just like ordinary people aren't under the influence of social medias manipulation (intentional or not) if they just don't use the platform. We all willingly hand over that power to the platforms.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by tyrust » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

uncoder0 wrote: post #191

mark_and_sweep wrote: post #99

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There were 5 arrests for firearm offences, a cooler full of molotov cocktails and 2 pipebombs. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/ashli-babbit...

This is what I was looking for thanks. It does not specify that the firearm offenses were on the capitol and I know a few of them were from people marching while open carrying off the capitol grounds which is illegal under DC law. The molotovs is a tidbit I didn't know about thankfully no one actually used them.

> I know a few of them were from people marching while open carrying off the capitol grounds which is illegal under DC law

If you knew this then why did you ask about whether it was an "armed mob" in the first place?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by zamalek » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

oedoedxef wrote: post #195

danShumway wrote: post #128

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Acknowledging that some of the comments there are pretty messed up is not the same thing as advocating for censorship. Criticism isn't censorship, criticism is free speech.

So I'm being downvoted which leads to censorship on this site, but all I did was criticize the comment, and I didn't downvote.

Freedom of speech is the right to speak, it is not the right to be heard. Your audience is effectively walking away from your soapbox. Censorship is when there is interference between a speaker and an audience that would otherwise be captivated.

Nobody here is interested in Trump's lies. Nobody here is interested in hearing his lies being perpetuated. We are not interested and we are not a captivated audience.