I like wire ( https://wire.com/en/ ) but no one I know uses it :-/
And you can actually host your own Wire server!
Poll: Switching from WhatsApp
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Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp
#142Big fan of Quill as well (https://quill.chat) — it is marketed towards teams, but you can use it just like Telegram & others to DM others without needing to create a team.
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#143See why Signal is not much better than Whatsapp: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668547 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25669657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668659 Edit: if you would like to avoid constant switching in the future, you have to think long-term and consider a distributed network, not another walled garden.
You are completely missing the point of todays discussion, it's not about who can distribute binaries or implement client. It's about not giving Facebook more data.
From this point of view you can switch anywhere. But if you would like to avoid constant switching in the future, you have to think long-term and consider a distributed network, not another walled garden.
Edit: Matrix solves all problems I refer to.
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#144Been using Telegram for a long time. I don't trust it any more than I do with WhatsApp (therefore, Facebook), however it is well done and thought out, has a real desktop client with a real desktop UI toolkit and enough of my contacts are on it already, therefore it's the best compromise to me. I greatly dislike Signal's UI when I tried it out and I've read about some weird decisions lately (that "using a PIN? uploadi…
Note that normal Telegram chats are not end to end encrypted. You have to start a “secret chat” for that.
Telegram gets a lot of flak for this, but if what they're saying here is true, I believe that it's a pretty sane architecture: https://telegra.ph/Why-Isnt-Telegram-End-to-End-Encrypted-by...
Definitely a better alternative to WhatsApp in any case.
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#145Doc friends and I assembled to compare the features (we feel) matter most across all major messengers. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-UlA4-tslROBDS9IqHal...
Amazing job! Though kinda funny nothing is all green
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are completely missing the point of todays discussion, it's not about who can distribute binaries or implement client. It's about not giving Facebook more data.
From this point of view you can switch anywhere. But if you would like to avoid constant switching in the future, you have to think long-term and consider a distributed network, not another walled garden. Edit: Matrix solves all problems I refer to.
> From this point of view you can switch anywhere.
The point isn't to not give Facebook more data; it is to not give anyone more data. Which is the case with Signal, but not with say Discord or Zoom.
Telegram uses homebrew crypto and for some reason doesn't have E2EE enabled by default.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Telegram is a downgrade in terms of both security and privacy Care to elaborate? Haven't heard/read anything that points in that direction. Except for the "nearby people" feature but that its up to you to enable.
I trust Bruce Schneier on this stuff and he advises against telegram: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/06/comparing_mes... Also in the comments on that "article" some people link against a cryptoanalysis of telegram, which can be found here: http://cs.au.dk/~jakjak/master-thesis.pdf Someone else also mentions that telegram stores message logs on their server, if that's true it is definitely a big no no.
Here's what Telegram has to say to that: https://telegra.ph/Why-Isnt-Telegram-End-to-End-Encrypted-by...
Seems like an okay compromise to me, but I'm no security expert.
Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp
#148Signal, for a long time. I see myself responsible for spreading the message, educating my inner circle, family and friends, helping them migrate if they are willing to. This became a duty for me, as I've been saved from FB products for a long-time ago, thanks to people enlighten me. And life is pretty much the same without them. Don't care what others say, I'm not old school, even I'm pretty old. I can message people one way or another, sms or Signal currently. But none of them matters, the psychological trap that they put us, life is hard, even not possible without any of the products they (we) are producing, is just absurd.
I never blamed technology or any algorithms, people was evil before and still the same. I'm so glad, the folks here that I find brilliant, is having this conversation. Just keep the dialogue going, it is working. Change happens in small steps, one people, one family, one neighbourhood at a time.
Re: Poll: Switching from WhatsApp
#149Sadly, I have to stick to Messenger. All my contacts and friends are there.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
how? I thought they where the first ones to implement e2e encryption?
- Weird hand-rolled crypto protocol of questionable quality (MTProto). Probably fine in practice, but leaves a bad taste in your mouth, and their marketing to prove it made it worse. It has been through a few revisions since initial scrutiny. - Only Secret Chats are E2EE. Normal use is just subject to transport encryption. However, this is true for any platform with server-side chat history.
"leaves a bad taste in your mouth" - May be you should not try to eat a protocol ?