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Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by jonathanyc »

andrewzah wrote: post #49
jonathanyc wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With fully automated driving the number of crashes (and therefore injuries & deaths) will go down -dramatically-. So you can argue all you want about the ethics & morality of the ~100 deaths/year or so from automated car crashes. But that's far preferable to the current situation. Why do people (in particular people without robotics experience) keep assuming this will happen any time soon without any evidence whats…

Nothing in my comment implied this will happen soon. I don't think a safe, fully automated system will arrive anytime soon. What I was discussing was the supposed ethics of fully automated driving vs human driving when crashes happen. I'm tired of seeing these contrived, hypothetical examples about what an automated car may or may not do in a very specific scenario, that completely ignore the fact that crashes & deat…

But the other commenter’s “corporations will kill people without consequences” isn’t a contrived example. It is just an extrapolation of what happened already when Uber’s self driving car killed a woman because the management and executives decided to manually disable the automatic braking on the car.

Maybe crashes and deaths will go down by an order of magnitude one day. But my point is that that’s hardly an argument in favor of not worrying about the ethical implications of self driving cars today.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by s1artibartfast »

munk-a wrote: post #106
s1artibartfast wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not restitution if the money doesn’t go the harmed party

Restitution is one of the comparably less important facets of our legal system (IMO), the important strength of a good legal system is deterrence. Restitution should (again IMO) in fact be severed from judgement, harmed parties should be reimbursed by the government and the government can excise penalties on the offending parties. There are a lot of cases where defendants should be hit with serious fines due to the p…

The parent post was talking about restitution. I was addressing this point.

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Post by spoonjim »

And nobody will change their behaviors because all but one of them suffer no personal consequences. They got the benefit of the crime and have to pay no price.

Corporate crime needs to be prosecuted like personal crime, with 20-year-jail sentences in a jail full of Crips and Bloods and Aryan Brotherhood. Your Harvard MBA dude truly knows that he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving a place like that.

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Post by mmaunder »

So Anthony Levandowski got 18 months in prison for stealing self driving car secrets from Waymo (Alphabet) and passing them to Uber. Live Nation did $10B in revenue in 2017 and they're fined 0.1% of annual revenue for a CFAA violation which has sentences up to 20 years for individuals.

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Post by markovbot »

spoonjim wrote: post #134

And nobody will change their behaviors because all but one of them suffer no personal consequences. They got the benefit of the crime and have to pay no price. Corporate crime needs to be prosecuted like personal crime, with 20-year-jail sentences in a jail full of Crips and Bloods and Aryan Brotherhood. Your Harvard MBA dude truly knows that he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving a place like that.

sounds like the system is working as intended

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Post by tschellenbach »

throwawaysk wrote: post #115

I worked at Songkick. The business was not sustainable, there was no revenue stream in sight before the Crowdsurge merger. Crowdsurge effectively acquired us when they merged as Songkick had run out of funding, with no potential buyers or investors. Crowdsurge was not sustainable either, they lost money on every ticket sold, but mostly because TM would only allow 10% of any allocation at any TM venue. Crowdsurge were…

Probably related to the large amount of funding they raised compared to the exit, https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/songkick

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Post by hsod »

mmaunder wrote: post #135

So Anthony Levandowski got 18 months in prison for stealing self driving car secrets from Waymo (Alphabet) and passing them to Uber. Live Nation did $10B in revenue in 2017 and they're fined 0.1% of annual revenue for a CFAA violation which has sentences up to 20 years for individuals.

The individual who did the hacking was criminally prosecuted and pled guilty to a CFAA violation https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.439451...
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