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A street cleaning ticket in SF is $79 and is probably one of the cheapest fines you'll pay.
A parking ticket in Chelsea, Michigan is $8. I forgot to pay it for 6 months and they didn't even care.
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I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought here. Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act. If laws get broken, the individuals who made that choice should pay the price. This wasn't a defense of the company, I'm fine with the company getting fined here, so long as the people who did this get penalized as well. So long as we let companies be a sort of shelter for the people inside the company, this kind…
>Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act. I'm not really sure why you think this distinction is important. If a sufficient enforcement/punishment was laid on a company you can bet the employee responsible will feel it. Rather in this sense because there was no real punishment the employee was commended.
The fine was likely less than the cost of the C-Suites annual bonus package.
A corporation criminally hacked a rival for profit and got away with a small fine. A person doing the exact same thing would be heading to prison. Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.
> Ticketmaster has agreed to pay a $10 million criminal fine Live Nation is worth $16 Billion. This is like a person with a $100k net worth having to pay a $62 fine, basically an expensive parking ticket. They might as well tell them to write "I will not hack my competitors" on the blackboard 100 times.
... and they'll call it "The cost of doing business". Disgusting.
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nah. it sounds like you’re arguing what the odds are but let me ask a question: what are the odds that a self driving car has a “glitch”? At what threshold should one be willing to bet their lives in this probability every time they drive? Right now we are speculating what the odds a self driving car has to make a mistake. But there aren’t any truly self driving car out there. So how do you determine the actual odds?…
We're not there yet, but at some point we will be. It probably won't be within the next 5 years, maybe even 10. All that matters is that the # of deaths from automated driving ends up less than the # of deaths from human driving. If 1,000 people a year die from software glitches, that's still a 30x+ improvement from the current situation. I really don't see how people focus so much on "potential glitches" and not the…
This isn't true. The odds of me dying in a car crash is lower than the average as a result of precautions I take to be safe. For me 1,000 deaths/year might be a improvement (or it might not) but to say it's a 30x+ improvement just by looking at the total number of deaths is just false.
The focus on potential glitches is because it's something the driver has no control over. Is there a similar measure for number of completely accidental deaths (eg. someone swerving into your car or t-boning you at an intersection)?
Finally, until we have better laws that ensure companies are liable for their mistakes, companies won't take all the precautions to ensure vehicles are safer than a good driver (not just the average driver). Does anyone remember the Ford Pinto explosion issues because the company decided to use a cheaper gas tank and figured they would save more than they would pay from settling the few lawsuits that might emerge as a result?
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> - Ticketmaster management was aware of this and rewarded that employee with a promotion and additional responsibilities. At some point the employees involved were fired. So there was some short term reward, and long term... I don't know. Also, the article says that Zeeshan Zaidi, plead guilty to 26 months ago. So obviously this is the last in a series of consequences.
Fired after the company was caught, or before?
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Also the CEO, COO and CFO were sentenced to prison.
Jeffrey Skilling served 24 years in jail Andrew Fastow committed suicide Ken Lay died of a heart attack before his trial Lou Pai walked away with $250 million and disappeared The litany of charges that were brought against the rest of the people involved have not been very successful: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-ap-enron-trial-glance-sto... All of those sentenced in the above article were for reduced sentences…
Aside from that, totally agree. Many of the people who benefitted from the Enron disaster walked away without consequence. Very unsatisfying end.
I still can't believe regulators allowed Ticketmaster and Live Nation to merge
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This is why the public should never support self driving cars: the corporation will kill people without consequences.
Drivers often do not face any consequences for killing people as it is. Unless the driver was intoxicated, it is generally written off as an accident. If only the people who get outraged about self-driving cars were as outraged by this fact and applied pressure to improve street design and speed limit enforcement.