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Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by rantwasp »

jonathanyc wrote: post #46
andrewzah wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are an insane amount of car accident-related deaths & injuries every year. At least 30,000 deaths/year in the USA alone. Because humans drive tired, drunk, while texting, etc, and sometimes just make mistakes. With fully automated driving the number of crashes (and therefore injuries & deaths) will go down -dramatically-. So you can argue all you want about the ethics & morality of the ~100 deaths/year or so fr…

> With fully automated driving the number of crashes (and therefore injuries & deaths) will go down -dramatically-. So you can argue all you want about the ethics & morality of the ~100 deaths/year or so from automated car crashes. But that's far preferable to the current situation. Why do people (in particular people without robotics experience) keep assuming this will happen any time soon without any evidence whats…

you answered your own questions. people that don’t understand the nitty gritty details of technology (any technology) will put more faith in it than people that understand it.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by femto113 »

Nacdor wrote: post #45

> Ticketmaster has agreed to pay a $10 million criminal fine Live Nation is worth $16 Billion. This is like a person with a $100k net worth having to pay a $62 fine, basically an expensive parking ticket. They might as well tell them to write "I will not hack my competitors" on the blackboard 100 times.

Worth noting that TicketMaster also paid $110MM to "acquire" SongKick in order to settle the original (civil) lawsuit.

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Post by anigbrowl »

ogre_codes wrote: post #40
aqme28 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If corporate management knew about and encouraged this behavior, how is that not "Ticketmaster" doing it? IMO both the individuals and the corporation should be held responsible.

I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought here. Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act. If laws get broken, the individuals who made that choice should pay the price. This wasn't a defense of the company, I'm fine with the company getting fined here, so long as the people who did this get penalized as well. So long as we let companies be a sort of shelter for the people inside the company, this kind…

Corporations absolutely do act, just as surely a person acts even though only their fingers or individual limbs may be moving. I agree the individuals should be subject to criminal penalties, but so should shareholders and board members, who hoped to profit and looked the other way, respectively.

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Post by anigbrowl »

giobox wrote: post #36
partiallypro wrote: post #12

I still can't believe regulators allowed Ticketmaster and Live Nation to merge

I was at law school during that merger and it was a major focus of the Competition Law course, one of the most obvious monopolies that was ever allowed to proceed in recent times really. I think entire academic staff expected the opposite outcome too!

I love law as a field, but the sad fact is that it's often a post-facto rationalization/repair of power politics. Sometimes it's like a conference of physicists trying to demonstrate that a fire in the room is not that hot instead of pouring water onto it.

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Post by s_dev »

ogre_codes wrote: post #40
aqme28 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If corporate management knew about and encouraged this behavior, how is that not "Ticketmaster" doing it? IMO both the individuals and the corporation should be held responsible.

I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought here. Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act. If laws get broken, the individuals who made that choice should pay the price. This wasn't a defense of the company, I'm fine with the company getting fined here, so long as the people who did this get penalized as well. So long as we let companies be a sort of shelter for the people inside the company, this kind…

>Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act.

I'm not really sure why you think this distinction is important. If a sufficient enforcement/punishment was laid on a company you can bet the employee responsible will feel it. Rather in this sense because there was no real punishment the employee was commended.

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Post by CPLX »

ogre_codes wrote: post #7

I hate the way this article is worded. Or perhaps the problem is the source documents. "Ticketmaster" didn't do anything. Ticketmaster is a company which cannot make decisions or take actions. - An employee at Ticketmaster stole a password (and financial documents) - Multiple other Ticketmaster employees abused that stolen information to actively attack a competitor. - Ticketmaster management was aware of this and re…

It really is both. Corporations have corporate personhood and should be held accountable for criminal acts, as should individual criminals.

Ticketmaster did do something. They clearly broke the law. So did the individuals. All should be severely punished this is egregious behavior.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by anigbrowl »

h2odragon wrote: post #20
NeverFade wrote: post #3

A corporation criminally hacked a rival for profit and got away with a small fine. A person doing the exact same thing would be heading to prison. Seems like the same crime has a very different outcome when a corporation commits it.

Some of the "sovereign citizen" folks have a whole mythology based on "incorporated people", it has some appeal in that it'd be nice if there was just one law and it applied to all. Why can't we have our own personal corporations, which can stiff our creditors, cheat customers, etc etc with impunity? Surely all the social benefits of allowing this behavior from groups would only multiply if these liberties extended t…

I have a certain sympathy for the SovCit people, because while 99 times out of 100 they're trying to evade their legal responsibilities, they are making a valid point that such evasion is in many ways institutionalized in our society as long as you can throw some money at the problem ahead of time.

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Post by fastball »

ogre_codes wrote: post #65
jnsie wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of like saying "the 49ers didn't lose, their players did"...

When Barry Bond got caught doping, nobody said "The SF Giants were doping". Barry Bond owned that. That's all I'm looking for here.

But this was a collective effort that involved multiple people within the company. When "the Astros" got caught stealing signs, we say it was the Astros, even though the majority of people involved with the team were not involved with the sign-stealing.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

roywiggins wrote: post #4
spacemanmatt wrote: post #2

It's fairly frustrating that no one is going to prison over this 100% greed-motivated, brazen corporate crime.

At least one actual human has plead guilty: "The charges against Ticketmaster come 26 months after Zeeshan Zaidi, the former head of Ticketmaster’s artist services division, pled guilty in a related case to conspiring to hack the rival company and engage in wired [sic] fraud." He appears to be awaiting sentencing.

> At a San Francisco meeting attended by at least 14 employees of Ticketmaster or its parent company Live Nation, the employee used one set of credentials to log in to an account to demonstrate how it worked.

I think 15 conspiracy charges are appropriate, bare minimum.

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