Cool to see Nissan on the charts there, common Nissan lets get some electric sports cars :)
Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla was all the rage for a couple of years, especially due to their exceptional (and free) charging infrastructure and weak competition. The government has done a lot to facilitate the expansion of the public charging infrastructure and this makes it more attractive to buy electric cars from other brands. Teslas are so common here know that it has lost much of its novelty. There are so many cars to choose from now.
Sounds like Tesla did what they were attempting to: dragging everyone to EVs faster. Edit: Would governments be starting to implement new combustion vehicle sales bans without robust charging infra and large quantities of EV deliveries quarter after quarter? Unlikely.
> Sounds like Tesla did what they were attempting to: dragging everyone to EVs faster.
didn't realise Tesla is behind norwegian gov't support for EVs..
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, that is correct. But the argument is, «electric cheaper -> sells more». My argument is that the people of Norway wants electric, when priced the same. Electric is the new shiny that most people in Norway want.
But they're not priced the same. The MSRP is just the MSRP and does not include the incentives for EVs.
They are priced the same, I’ve bought this car to this price. The MSRP includes no sale tax (mva) and no horse power tax. Are you thinking of some other incentives?
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's sold 500k units which is more than most Tesla's have, it's a different product for a different market. Think again.
Who is more likely to be right? You and your cheap used car use case or sophisticated capital markets and the valuation they’ve assigned to Tesla based on future expectations? Tesla can’t build 3s and Ys fast enough to keep up with demand, and they’re $40k-$50k (roughly) vehicles.
Have I touched a nerve? All I was saying is that Tesla's are very good but they're also expensive for a European market which is why the Leaf is a perfectly good EV for driving to the shops.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's sold 500k units which is more than most Tesla's have, it's a different product for a different market. Think again.
What precisely should I think again about? If the VW was priced at the same level as a Tesla, do you believe it would generate the same sales?
I have no idea what you're trying to say
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#176BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare
Interesting site. Here in Germany, most of the electric cars I see are delivery vehicles by Deutsche Post or Renault Zoes (I don't own one, but regularly drive a Zoe (carsharing), I have no complaints). The market share for Germany seems to reflect that. I have never seen a Tesla on the road here.
I see plenty of Tesla and BMW i3, even the occasional Porsche Taycan. I guess they are not distributed evenly across Germany.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#177Norway is subsidizing electric vehicles (with cash) and disincentivizing ICE vehicles (with higher fuel costs and other levers). However, vehicles of all kinds are subsidized by society by other means [0]. If we all paid the true costs of driving, our built environment and society would be structured radically different.
[0] "Should Law Subsidize Driving?" by Greg Shill https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3345366
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
But they're not priced the same. The MSRP is just the MSRP and does not include the incentives for EVs.
They are priced the same, I’ve bought this car to this price. The MSRP includes no sale tax (mva) and no horse power tax. Are you thinking of some other incentives?
The retail price is the same, sure, but the effective price is much different because the incentives come from different tax and rebate schemes that aren't factored into the retail price. EVs have no VAT in Norway, no road tax, no toll or ferry fees [0] -- that's a major difference in the effective price!
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#179They use money from all of the carbon they sell to provide massive tax discounts for electric cars, so the incentives are skewed to electric, so we shouldn't read too much into this in terms of market preference.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…
Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most. Hybrid 405k NOK [0] Electric 415k NOK [1] 0: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc... 1: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc...
>Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most.
That's my whole point. Of course more people will choose an EV when they are at price parity. The problem is that they are not. The Niro EV sells for a ~40% premium in the US over the ICE version, because the government subsidies are far less.