Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020 • Hacker News Board

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by messo » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:15 PM UTC

anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

Tesla was all the rage for a couple of years, especially due to their exceptional (and free) charging infrastructure and weak competition. The government has done a lot to facilitate the expansion of the public charging infrastructure and this makes it more attractive to buy electric cars from other brands. Teslas are so common here know that it has lost much of its novelty. There are so many cars to choose from now.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by burgerquizz » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:20 PM UTC

anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

nice! can you add data for US and Asia (especially China)?

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by TulliusCicero » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:21 PM UTC

lldbg wrote: post #2

Sell oil, buy electric cars. Is this the definition of hypocrisy? At least it is better than the alternative, sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars. Edit: I would like to rephrase the last sentence as "At least it is better than _an_ alternative, which is to sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars." which is a fairer categorisation of the problem space and less consumerist.

No, it is not. Oil is used for more than just cars.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by marvin » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

orange_tee wrote: post #9

WesleyLivesay wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they are just following the "don't use your own supply" rule.

They are also lucky to have cheap electricity from hydro.

It isn't that cheap anymore. New undersea cables to Europe means we can export/time arbitrage a lot, and that increases prices.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by chrisseaton » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:30 PM UTC

anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

All marques seem cyclic due to new models being released I guess.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by unionemployee » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:31 PM UTC

Electric cars still result in Phoenix, AZ. What we need is Amsterdam.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by lldbg » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:31 PM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #13

lldbg wrote: post #2

Sell oil, buy electric cars. Is this the definition of hypocrisy? At least it is better than the alternative, sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars. Edit: I would like to rephrase the last sentence as "At least it is better than _an_ alternative, which is to sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars." which is a fairer categorisation of the problem space and less consumerist.

No, it is not. Oil is used for more than just cars.

Yes, I am aware (why wouldn't I be?).

To me it is obvious that the solution to the global climate change crisis isn't rich countries buying new luxorious cars, that happen to be electric. That's a very western-centric view.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by magicalhippo » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:31 PM UTC

lldbg wrote: post #2

Sell oil, buy electric cars. Is this the definition of hypocrisy? At least it is better than the alternative, sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars. Edit: I would like to rephrase the last sentence as "At least it is better than _an_ alternative, which is to sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars." which is a fairer categorisation of the problem space and less consumerist.

As a Norwegian, I've been thinking the same for a while. The argument that "our" oil would just get replaced by some other oil if we stopped pumping feels hollow.

That being said, given how much of our workforce is directly or indirectly tied to pumping up oil and gas, I also get that simply stopping the pumps tomorrow will pretty much make the country collapse.

As such I think that spending our black money to help foster greener technologies like EVs is at least better than nothing.

We're also using our oil fund a bit more actively[1] when it comes to climate and investments.

[1]: https://www.nrk.no/norge/for-forste-gang-kaster-oljefondet-u...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by marcusklaas » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:31 PM UTC

marvin wrote: post #14

orange_tee wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are also lucky to have cheap electricity from hydro.

It isn't that cheap anymore. New undersea cables to Europe means we can export/time arbitrage a lot, and that increases prices.

So the Norwegians are getting even richer, great!

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by toomuchtodo » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 3:35 PM UTC

messo wrote: post #11

anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

Tesla was all the rage for a couple of years, especially due to their exceptional (and free) charging infrastructure and weak competition. The government has done a lot to facilitate the expansion of the public charging infrastructure and this makes it more attractive to buy electric cars from other brands. Teslas are so common here know that it has lost much of its novelty. There are so many cars to choose from now.

Sounds like Tesla did what they were attempting to: dragging everyone to EVs faster.

Edit: Would governments be starting to implement new combustion vehicle sales bans without robust charging infra and large quantities of EV deliveries quarter after quarter? Unlikely.