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Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by gamblor956 »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #121
TeeWEE wrote: post #92

Consider buying VOLKSWAGEN group stock instead of TESLA stock... There are electric volkswagens everywhere, and their lineup of electric cars is amazing. Just saw the new ID4, its a super cool car: https://www.volkswagen.nl/modellen/id4 It looks way better in real life than on the site. With Tesla... These tesla model 3s are everywhere in the Netherlands, and they are a bit minimal in design and expensive.. A bit bor…

Just don't buy an ID until VW sort out the climate control and entertainment system. Currently quite a few Norwegian ID.3 owners are reluctant to drive them for fear of suddenly losing visibility when the climate control misbehaves: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&u=https:/...

It's like how people are scared to buy Teslas because the car might drive them into a truck or center divider and kill them...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by jeofken »

dagw wrote: post #87
jeofken wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Norway it’s dark and cold as shit half the year and no flat parts of the towns; Amsterdam is flat and always pleasant or rainy

In Norway it’s dark and cold as shit half the year and no flat parts of the towns; Perhaps in Tromsø. Oslo certainly doesn't fit that description.

I think it does :) it’s called “the pot” because of all the hills up from city centre

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by gamblor956 »

epistasis wrote: post #144
gamblor956 wrote: post #132

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Leafs and Bolts were sold out (or leased out) almost everywhere they were available before the Model 3 was released. The problem was that they never made enough of them because their respective manufacturers didn't believe the market was very large, largely because battery technology when they were first released simply wasn't as good as it is now.

These awful manufacturers have also actively sandbagged their designs, making them less desirable and less normal, in an attempt to limit their appeal. Car manufacturers are masters of marketing. Their choices in how they market these cars are very intentional.

They were following the Prius strategy: the (original) Prius models were deliberately designed to be ugly to stand out and make a statement.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by 1stcity3rdcoast »

arve0 wrote: post #150
1stcity3rdcoast wrote: post #127

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There are significant subsidies and schemes that the Norwegian government offers that reduces the total purchase price of the electric.

Yes, that is correct. But the argument is, «electric cheaper -> sells more». My argument is that the people of Norway wants electric, when priced the same. Electric is the new shiny that most people in Norway want.

But they're not priced the same. The MSRP is just the MSRP and does not include the incentives for EVs.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by epistasis »

anthony_r wrote: post #109
vjuvvadi123 wrote: post #64

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This just sums up how tax payers subsidise EVs and some meme company takes the credit

To be honest most of the "credit" comes from Wall Street. Yes, Tesla wouldn't have been profitable if you subtracted the credits but it is absolutely not worth as much as the market says with the credits or even with 3x the credits it got. And the $TSLA price it's not just some random number mostly irrelevant to daily operations of the company, they sold/issued many shares at such valuations.

I've never looked, but I had always assumed that Tesla's valuation comes from lots of rabid-fans from the retail market. Are there many large investors or Wall Street players that are driving the share price?

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by BucketsMcG »

CharlesW wrote: post #131
anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

Wow, amazing to see Tesla trending down to under 1%. That seems to be evidence that their first-mover advantage won't help them as EVs become common.

What's more likely to happen first: Tesla catches up on a century's knowledge and experience of car manufacturing, or the combined resources of the entire car industry catches up on a decade or so of technological advantage in batteries?

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Post by Consultant32452 »

mhh__ wrote: post #145
Consultant32452 wrote: post #137

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The low price is an indicator of the low desirability.

It's sold 500k units which is more than most Tesla's have, it's a different product for a different market. Think again.

What precisely should I think again about? If the VW was priced at the same level as a Tesla, do you believe it would generate the same sales?

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

outoftheabyss wrote: post #56
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #51

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There are much better ways to reduce CO2 emissions than taxing the consumer. Norway could simply stop pumping as much oil from the ground/sea.

Artificially reducing supply by whatever means is going to have a similar effect on the consumer as a tax, prices and the cost to the consumer will rise

Reducing the supply has the effect of not taxing your own citizens more than the rest of the world. Also, a tax at the gas pump hits the everyday Joe (or in Norway, Mittias) disproportionately. Lots of fuel is consumed without ever going to a gas station.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by 411111111111111 »

allendoerfer wrote: post #69
aphextron wrote: post #42

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>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…

> However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive democracy, where the majority wants to have laws to drive up EV sales.

> the majority wants to have laws to drive up EV sales

It's a representative democracy, so it's the voted–in government officials instead of the majority of people ;)

The difference does matter, because the cause and effect is inverted: the government is elected... And now it passes laws such as this.

It's not the population that voted so the government would pass these laws.

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