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Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#92Consider buying VOLKSWAGEN group stock instead of TESLA stock... There are electric volkswagens everywhere, and their lineup of electric cars is amazing.
Just saw the new ID4, its a super cool car: https://www.volkswagen.nl/modellen/id4
It looks way better in real life than on the site. With Tesla... These tesla model 3s are everywhere in the Netherlands, and they are a bit minimal in design and expensive.. A bit boring to be honest. But thats good, electrify the world!
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?
>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…
The headline doesn't seem misleading. I would also argue that the government giving out incentives for electric cars makes Norway "some kind of progressive utopia" as it is a republic and I assume it is in someway what the people want.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Norway it’s dark and cold as shit half the year and no flat parts of the towns; Amsterdam is flat and always pleasant or rainy
Surely the OP meant that electric cars are still cars, and thus encourage car-centric cities with wide streets and lots of space devoted to parking, as opposed to denser, more walkable and bikable cities.
How are all those people who walk around the city going to get there? Norwegians live in quite scattered communities and even though we have better public transport that some other countries it really isn't convenient to time your visit to the nearest town and shopping centre to coincide with the bus timetable. For me a trip to the centre of the nearest town (Drammen, Norway) means a forty minute bus ride and the buses run once per hour, not too bad if all I want to do is go to a café or buy a small bag of shopping. If I need to visit one of the shopping centres nearer the edge of town it will take and hour and twenty minutes and two buses. Now imagine doing that with children as well while it is raining during the twenty minutes that you have to wait for the second bus.
I'm not arguing against pedestrian friendly towns, in fact Drammen is very pedestrian friendly, just that it is really not enough to make a town pedestrian friendly, not here anyway, you also need a massive expansion in public transport. You need more routes, more frequent buses, you need overlapping routes so that people do not have to change buses too often.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#95This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.
If the article is to be believed this does not include hybrids. The first sentence reads in part "... where the sale of electric cars has overtaken those powered by petrol, diesel and hybrid engines ... " (my emphasis)
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#96BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare
It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?
ID.3 is already seen around every street corner here, and the ID.4 has just been released and I already saw 4...
Tesla (in the Netherlands) doesnt have the tax incentives anymore because its too expensive, the ID.3 still has that cause its cheaper... So lease car owners choose ID.3 because money.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?
Can we not pretend that electric cars don't pollute the planet? To be clear, I am a big fan of electric cars. But this seems to have become another one of those things that has become so polarised you're not even allowed to express healthy skepticism.
ICE vehicles have very little headroom for "environmental growth" whereas electric seems to have very high levels of headroom. Batteries from more common elements, better recycling, more renewable energy to charge them. As much as I love big trucks, there is no "zero carbon diesel".
So it isn't pretending, they really are a lot better for the planet in the mid-term and forward.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#98Norway has been leading the pack in this regard for quite some time. A few Government incentives, both financial and for instance the ability to use dedicated bus lanes (now discontinued in Oslo I think?) majorly helped. One of the large issues around uptake is simply infrastructure. Here in Ireland, it is still patchy at best. We had an EV (Nissan) from around 2016 but gave it up in 2020 as there was simply too much…
You can still use the bus lanes in Oslo and in teh rest of Norway. :) I live here, but it also says on Statens Vegvesen site: (in Norwegian): https://www.vegvesen.no/trafikkinformasjon/langs-veien/trafi.... It's nice to avoid traffic jams. :)
I drive occasionally and the first time I drove an electric last year, I barely made it to a charging station an hour outside Oslo and not close to another city. I had to wait a couple of hours before hopping to a fast charger. I treated it like a gas car, but after that, I changed both my attitude and a number of driving habits to get the most of them. I am happy the wide breadth of support across the country is available to maintain charging stations. Just on cost alone, I would prefer electric for rentals.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#99Electric cars still result in Phoenix, AZ. What we need is Amsterdam.
Yes the amsterdam city center is bike centric. But around it its all cars... Diesel cars are banned in the ring now, and there are TESLA's everywhere (lease car owners). The tax incentives where crazy, you could ride a Tesla for as cheap as 150 euro per month...
But that now has stopped above 40k euro, and its the Volkswagen group that builds electrified cars in the sweet spot.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#100This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.
> driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel
and driving around two engines. also, equally important, having to produce two engines gives hybrids an extra co2 footprint even before their first km. this way, the total co2 footprint over the entire life cycle of a hybrid car can be just the same as that of the same car with a combustion engine.