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Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?

Volkswagen has majorly invested in EVs. One important model Volkswagen has made is the ID.3 . Similar in size to the golf / rabbit. This is an attainable car I'm interested in buying.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Also the reason why the government is also slowly phasing out incentives to the electric cars.

They're not phasing out the #1 incentive to buy electric cars: Insanely high gasoline prices (nor should they). So I'm not seeing a regression in the making here.

Right,I think GP post is just saying buyers were "pulled forward" (in parlance we use to discuss iphone buyers)

If you were going to buy an electric car in the next couple of years, you should do it before you lose the discounts

Of course, budget electric cars are continuing to improve year over year, so that along with gas prices and the charging station network effect (which is perhaps fairly saturated in Norway? I don't know) should help draw in new buyers post incentives

I agree that I don't really imagine much backsliding unless the current generation of first-time buyers hate their electric cars (I suspect many will love them though)

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All marques seem cyclic due to new models being released I guess.

Tesla is cyclic because they're delivered on boats that have to transit the Panama canal. And because Tesla runs on the stock market quarterly cycle. The cars manufactured in the first month of the quarter are mostly delivered to Europe for delivery in the last month of the quarter. The cars manufactured in the second month get delivered to Eastern North America and the third month cars get delivered to California an…

I mean people buy new models. When a new model or refreshed model comes out they're motivated to consider upgrading. When a model is a couple of years beyond the last refresh people aren't motivated because it's behind models which have been refreshed and they know a new one is coming so they wait.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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So 14 out of the 25 cars sold there? I jest ;-)

From the article: New car sales in the country last year were 141,412, of which 76,789 were fully electric. We're a small country, so yeah not huge numbers but...

Small countries, high subsidies:

> https://www.nettavisen.no/okonomi/norge-sponser-elbileiere-m...

I mean, the government is spending something like 2.5 billion US Dollars per year to subsidize electric cars, yet people still claim how electric cars are competitive.

From having lived in Norway for a year, I also remember that even buying used cars with a combustion engine is ridiculously expensive due to the high taxes that electric cars are exempt from.

I mean, of course, Norwegians are buying more electric cars. Who wouldn't given these circumstances?

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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This is almost completely a result of artificial government imposed constraints that make ICE vehicles exceedingly more expensive there. It really has nothing to do with free market choice. A new Tesla Model 3 costs less than a Subaru Outback or Mini Cooper [0]. A VW eGolf also costs less than a base model ICE Golf. [0] https://www.skatteetaten.no/globalassets/tabeller-og-satser/...

Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not phasing out the #1 incentive to buy electric cars: Insanely high gasoline prices (nor should they). So I'm not seeing a regression in the making here.

Buying a car in Norway or even from abroad has always been very expensive because of the taxes Norway poses on regular cars: > https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/person/duties/cars-and-other-... Electric cars are exempt from these taxes which is why they are so attractive in Norway for customers. Electric cars are also exempt from road fees. Overall, electric cars in Norway are still getting 2.4 billion USD subsidies per…

Does Norway have any incentives/subsidies for electric bikes or scooters?

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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post #7

Also the reason why the government is also slowly phasing out incentives to the electric cars.

They're not phasing out the #1 incentive to buy electric cars: Insanely high gasoline prices (nor should they). So I'm not seeing a regression in the making here.

For European standards, Norway's petro; and diesel prices aren't that crazy. When touring through the fjords on a couple of vacations, I've found them comparable to what you have in Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands.

Especially considering that Norway's average income is leagues ahead of those countries.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

#38

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

I'm hearing more and more electric cars pass me in traffic and about half of them are not Teslas. (Sweden)

I have no numbers to back this up, just observations of a cyclist commuter in Malmö.

Edit: According to this absolutely awful website[1] it's up to 113,790 EVs in Sweden in 2020.

And according to this[2] much better website jan-nov in 2020 saw 93k gasoline driven cars vs. 21k EVs. So we're not even close to Norway. :(

1. https://www.elbilsstatistik.se/elbilsstatistik

2. https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/tran...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

#39
The interesting thing to follow will be how fast the petrol car infrastructure of the country will decay over time (charging station, mechanics).

May be norwegians will sell their petrol car to less EV-advanced countries before they have no value at all in their home country?

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Sell oil, buy electric cars. Is this the definition of hypocrisy? At least it is better than the alternative, sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars. Edit: I would like to rephrase the last sentence as "At least it is better than _an_ alternative, which is to sell oil and buy fossile fuel cars." which is a fairer categorisation of the problem space and less consumerist.

No, it is not. Oil is used for more than just cars.

In the US, 68% of the oil is used for transportation:

> https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc...

So, yeah, that argument is actually valid.

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