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Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by arve0 »

aphextron wrote: post #42
unethical_ban wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?

>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…

Kia niro comes out the same price, electric sells the most.

Hybrid 405k NOK [0] Electric 415k NOK [1]

0: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc... 1: https://www.kia.com/api/bin/docDownload?program=brochure&loc...

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by snickms »

outoftheabyss wrote: post #52
arethuza wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the UK, I suspect my first electric car (in a couple of years) will be the new Škoda based on the same platform as the ID.3: https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/enyaq-iv

Still a huge markup on their petrol equivalents, roughly £14k more expensive. Yes you get a few extra bells and whistles and a small grant to help but that difference still has a ways to go

Surely the fuel cost savings would wipe out the price difference within a couple of years? Not sure what the average price of petrol is where you are though.

[Edit[ https://myelectriccar.com.au/calculator/ confirms this at least for a Nissan Leaf running in Australia.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by xyproto »

dijit wrote: post #47
INTPenis wrote: post #38

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I'm hearing more and more electric cars pass me in traffic and about half of them are not Teslas. (Sweden) I have no numbers to back this up, just observations of a cyclist commuter in Malmö. Edit: According to this absolutely awful website[1] it's up to 113,790 EVs in Sweden in 2020. And according to this[2] much better website jan-nov in 2020 saw 93k gasoline driven cars vs. 21k EVs. So we're not even close to Norw…

As far as I know there's not much incentive to buy electric in Sweden, where in Norway they're heavily subsidised. Also, small internet, Hello from Caroli, Malmo! [EDIT: Cars otherwise being heavily taxed and EV's being Tax free, both at purchase time and with annual car taxes (with additional perks such as no parking tolls and driving in bus lanes) is the definition of subsidised]

They are not subsidized in Norway, just exempt from taxes.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by vjuvvadi123 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #20
messo wrote: post #11

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Tesla was all the rage for a couple of years, especially due to their exceptional (and free) charging infrastructure and weak competition. The government has done a lot to facilitate the expansion of the public charging infrastructure and this makes it more attractive to buy electric cars from other brands. Teslas are so common here know that it has lost much of its novelty. There are so many cars to choose from now.

Sounds like Tesla did what they were attempting to: dragging everyone to EVs faster. Edit: Would governments be starting to implement new combustion vehicle sales bans without robust charging infra and large quantities of EV deliveries quarter after quarter? Unlikely.

This just sums up how tax payers subsidise EVs and some meme company takes the credit

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by pcl »

cbmuser wrote: post #34
magicalhippo wrote: post #24

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From the article: New car sales in the country last year were 141,412, of which 76,789 were fully electric. We're a small country, so yeah not huge numbers but...

Small countries, high subsidies: > https://www.nettavisen.no/okonomi/norge-sponser-elbileiere-m... I mean, the government is spending something like 2.5 billion US Dollars per year to subsidize electric cars, yet people still claim how electric cars are competitive. From having lived in Norway for a year, I also remember that even buying used cars with a combustion engine is ridiculously expensive due to the high tax…

> the government is spending something like 2.5 billion US Dollars per year to subsidize electric cars

The government currently does not charge import taxes on electric cars, but charges very high import taxes on ICE cars.

I wouldn't say that the government is "spending" that money. For sure it's a subsidy, but the Norwegian government is not actually sending checks to people or manufacturers if they buy electric. There is a cost to road maintenance that needs to get funded from somewhere, and that cost is not currently being borne by electric car owners. But using the phrase "spending" makes it sound a whole lot like a check is getting cut in some amount and sent somewhere.

(There's an ongoing debate about when to ramp up taxes for electric cars, and to what amounts, so don't expect the situation to remain as-is for too much longer.)

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by rjsw »

jeofken wrote: post #49
unionemployee wrote: post #16

Electric cars still result in Phoenix, AZ. What we need is Amsterdam.

In Norway it’s dark and cold as shit half the year and no flat parts of the towns; Amsterdam is flat and always pleasant or rainy

The Netherlands gets wind, it isn't always good cycling weather.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by oblio »

WoodenChair wrote: post #21
anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?

VW has created a huge EV platform. You won't see it as much in the US but in Europe they'll probably unleash 40 models covering every category in the next 2-3 years.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by dagw »

dijit wrote: post #47
INTPenis wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hearing more and more electric cars pass me in traffic and about half of them are not Teslas. (Sweden) I have no numbers to back this up, just observations of a cyclist commuter in Malmö. Edit: According to this absolutely awful website[1] it's up to 113,790 EVs in Sweden in 2020. And according to this[2] much better website jan-nov in 2020 saw 93k gasoline driven cars vs. 21k EVs. So we're not even close to Norw…

As far as I know there's not much incentive to buy electric in Sweden, where in Norway they're heavily subsidised. Also, small internet, Hello from Caroli, Malmo! [EDIT: Cars otherwise being heavily taxed and EV's being Tax free, both at purchase time and with annual car taxes (with additional perks such as no parking tolls and driving in bus lanes) is the definition of subsidised]

It's not so much that they are heavily subsidized per se. but rather that IC cars are heavily taxed. A Tesla in Norway costs slightly more than in the US, while an 'equivalent' BMW or Audi can cost ~3 times as much as in the US.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by allendoerfer »

aphextron wrote: post #42
unethical_ban wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet?

>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…

> However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs.

Headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive democracy, where the majority wants to have laws to drive up EV sales.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by eloeffler »

This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success.

Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel.

I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.

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