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Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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Singapore is anyway a totalitarian state, Lee Kuan Yew was basically a "benevolent" dictator, if there is such a thing.

I always recall William Gibson's description of the city-state as 'Disneyland with the Death Penalty'.

The accompanying 1993 article for those who haven't seen it previously: https://www.wired.com/1993/04/gibson-2/

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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That was expected from the very beginning. Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect, we are free to use as we want (citing again some blah-blah about public benefits). What's surprising is that they disclose it. Perhaps he just wasnt prepared for the question

> Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect Some governments... We don't all live in a surveillance state.

You'd be surprised.

Where do you leave that's not a surveillance state?

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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According to this article ( https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53146360 ) the Singapore contact tracing app works the same way the iOS and Android do, so no location tracking. From my read of the situation, there is some worry that activists might be cracked down upon.

Activists are already cracked down plenty. Here's one currently under criminal investigation for holding up a sign with a smiley face (and nothing else) on it:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55068007

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have some data in the hands of any government, and once you have a judge's approval, the data will be obtained by the authority regardless where you are. It makes sense that the data should be stored on your devices only. If a criminal is caught with his phone, the data can still be obtained by the police (the same as phone records for example), and it can still be useful for criminal investigation, and normal ci…

I believe you're missing the point. At first, they explain the information is collected solely for medical reasons. Now they say they can use it as they please. Don't you see fallacy here? I am sure it was a genuine answer - that's why I was surprised. Usually those things are sugar covered.

>At first, they explain the information is collected solely for medical reasons. Now they say they can use it as they please. Don't you see fallacy here?

Technically not a fallacy (as there's no logical fault in what they said). Just falling back on a promise to the public.

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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post #38
post #31

Singapore is anyway a totalitarian state, Lee Kuan Yew was basically a "benevolent" dictator, if there is such a thing.

true, but he did "create" an extraordinary city state.

If it wasn't convenient for many players (from western to asian neighbors) to have a neutral tax-haven state in the area, it would have ended up like any small Asian/African/Latin American state.

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this article written by William Gibson is still relevant all these years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_with_the_Death_Pena...

Singapore also has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, at only 1.16 children per woman. Living in a controlled and apartment-dominated country seems to crush the desire and ability to have many children.

I suspect the fact that it's very densely populated and extremely expensive to live in has more to do with it. Couples can generally only afford to move out into their own apartments in their thirties, and the ancillary costs of schooling (tuition etc) if you want your kids to succeed rack up so fast that few can afford more than 1 or 2.

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. It might be good now, but no guarantees that it will stay that way. Principle of least privilege and data should be the norm but sadly it never is.

> Not really. It might be good now, but no guarantees that it will stay that way. By that definition there really aren't any entities that you can trust. Including family, friends, etc.

You cannot compare individual, and abstract entities such as states.

Humans feel empathy. States (and corporations) only follow interests.

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you're missing the point. At first, they explain the information is collected solely for medical reasons. Now they say they can use it as they please. Don't you see fallacy here? I am sure it was a genuine answer - that's why I was surprised. Usually those things are sugar covered.

> At first, they explain the information is collected solely for medical reasons. Now they say they can use it as they please. Don't you see fallacy here? Technically not a fallacy (as there's no logical fault in what they said). Just falling back on a promise to the public.

It's not a logical fallacy, but it's still a fallacy.
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