Singapore is anyway a totalitarian state, Lee Kuan Yew was basically a "benevolent" dictator, if there is such a thing.
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
That really depends on where you are in the world.
Not really. It might be good now, but no guarantees that it will stay that way. Principle of least privilege and data should be the norm but sadly it never is.
> Not really. It might be good now, but no guarantees that it will stay that way.
By that definition there really aren't any entities that you can trust. Including family, friends, etc.
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#33Singapore is a surveillance state. Don't be fooled by its corporate friendliness and general societal progress. The government is every bit authoritarian which at this point increasingly looks like a euphemism for totalitarian. https://www.aristeon.net/2019/04/singapore-as-pioneer-of-cap...
So general societal progress and their control of covid is evil? The 'tracking for criminal cases' is clearly a 'bad thing' but ... it's also legit democracy with excellent universal healthcare and rule of law. ... careful with the easy characterizations.
Any perceived "societal progress" comes at a (heavy) cost of personal liberties; the Singapore government have always "preferred" the former.
> it's also legit democracy
If your interpretation of a democracy boils down to mere voting rights and choice, then sure, it's legit. But I think we should also consider the trickle-down effects of having the same party in power ever since the government was formed. Your ethics, beliefs, judgment, and mentality determines how you vote - it's not that hard to sway the majority to your side if you are always in total control of how lives are shaped across generations.
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#34The New Zealand app is local storage only (at least that’s how it’s marketed, I’m not sure if this has been validated by a third party)
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/...
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
That really depends on where you are in the world.
Not really. It might be good now, but no guarantees that it will stay that way. Principle of least privilege and data should be the norm but sadly it never is.
And why the focus on governments? Is the same risk not present with private corporations?
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#36That was expected from the very beginning. Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect, we are free to use as we want (citing again some blah-blah about public benefits). What's surprising is that they disclose it. Perhaps he just wasnt prepared for the question
> Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect
Some governments... We don't all live in a surveillance state.
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#37Well, according to Google’s former CEO, Eric Schmidt: If you have nothing to hide, then you don’t need to worry about your privacy.
Edit: I’m getting downvoted. But I wrote this as a warning: that if you don’t value your privacy, then others, will make sure that you have no privacy.
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#38Singapore is anyway a totalitarian state, Lee Kuan Yew was basically a "benevolent" dictator, if there is such a thing.
true, but he did "create" an extraordinary city state.
Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations
#39That was expected from the very beginning. Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect, we are free to use as we want (citing again some blah-blah about public benefits). What's surprising is that they disclose it. Perhaps he just wasnt prepared for the question
> Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect Some governments... We don't all live in a surveillance state.
While I do agree with the correction - thank you, unfortunately this is applicable to certain extend to any government in developed world. Especially since the whole COVID madness started.
Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations
#40That was expected from the very beginning. Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect, we are free to use as we want (citing again some blah-blah about public benefits). What's surprising is that they disclose it. Perhaps he just wasnt prepared for the question
Everything is permitted...
Without a system that gives strong enough negative feedbacks to this kind of "usage", they will never go away.
Lack of negative feedback can be seen as a kind of positive feedback too.