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Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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Post by jariel »

ignoramous wrote: post #5

Singapore is a surveillance state. Don't be fooled by its corporate friendliness and general societal progress. The government is every bit authoritarian which at this point increasingly looks like a euphemism for totalitarian. https://www.aristeon.net/2019/04/singapore-as-pioneer-of-cap...

So general societal progress and their control of covid is evil?

The 'tracking for criminal cases' is clearly a 'bad thing' but ... it's also legit democracy with excellent universal healthcare and rule of law.

... careful with the easy characterizations.

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Post by jesterson »

ekianjo wrote: post #9
jesterson wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporate friendliness is not a disguise. It's needed to sustain the surveillance state cashflow. As for general societal progress, I am really not sure what are you talking about. There is no progress whatsoever.

> There is no progress whatsoever. Economic progress is a thing. https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/singapore/overview > Singapore is a high-income economy with a gross national income of US$54,530 per capita, as of 2017. The country provides one of the world’s most business-friendly regulatory environment for local entrepreneurs and is ranked among the world’s most competitive economies. > In the decades after ind…

It is, but original commenter was referring to societal progress which I found interesting.

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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Post by jesterson »

That was expected from the very beginning. Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect, we are free to use as we want (citing again some blah-blah about public benefits).

What's surprising is that they disclose it. Perhaps he just wasnt prepared for the question

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Post by baybal2 »

ekianjo wrote: post #9
jesterson wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporate friendliness is not a disguise. It's needed to sustain the surveillance state cashflow. As for general societal progress, I am really not sure what are you talking about. There is no progress whatsoever.

> There is no progress whatsoever. Economic progress is a thing. https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/singapore/overview > Singapore is a high-income economy with a gross national income of US$54,530 per capita, as of 2017. The country provides one of the world’s most business-friendly regulatory environment for local entrepreneurs and is ranked among the world’s most competitive economies. > In the decades after ind…

Can attest this being not the case, unless you are a bank, and can hire gazillion of local barristers to keep up with frequently changing regulatory theatrics.

For example, labour laws are faaar from what people imagine of Singapores ultracapitalist image.

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Post by powerapple »

jesterson wrote: post #13

That was expected from the very beginning. Government will collect as much data as possible citing medical reasons and then use the data as it pleases saying since we collect, we are free to use as we want (citing again some blah-blah about public benefits). What's surprising is that they disclose it. Perhaps he just wasnt prepared for the question

You have some data in the hands of any government, and once you have a judge's approval, the data will be obtained by the authority regardless where you are. It makes sense that the data should be stored on your devices only. If a criminal is caught with his phone, the data can still be obtained by the police (the same as phone records for example), and it can still be useful for criminal investigation, and normal citizen don't have to worry about their data. It is actually achievable with Google and Apple's approach.

And I think it was a genuine answer. This is a reply to MP, not a random reporter on streets.

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Post by iridium_core »

gbtw wrote: post #10
ignoramous wrote: post #5

Singapore is a surveillance state. Don't be fooled by its corporate friendliness and general societal progress. The government is every bit authoritarian which at this point increasingly looks like a euphemism for totalitarian. https://www.aristeon.net/2019/04/singapore-as-pioneer-of-cap...

And this article written by William Gibson is still relevant all these years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_with_the_Death_Pena...

Singapore also has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, at only 1.16 children per woman. Living in a controlled and apartment-dominated country seems to crush the desire and ability to have many children.

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Post by rusk »

baybal2 wrote: post #14
ekianjo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no progress whatsoever. Economic progress is a thing. https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/singapore/overview > Singapore is a high-income economy with a gross national income of US$54,530 per capita, as of 2017. The country provides one of the world’s most business-friendly regulatory environment for local entrepreneurs and is ranked among the world’s most competitive economies. > In the decades after ind…

Can attest this being not the case, unless you are a bank, and can hire gazillion of local barristers to keep up with frequently changing regulatory theatrics. For example, labour laws are faaar from what people imagine of Singapores ultracapitalist image.

I had a friend that worked there for a few years. He was all set to come home for a holiday and management waltzed in and just told everybody holidays were suspended. He still got to come home as he was something of a special case but it was a good story for us ...

Also the legend of the bank who called a fire drill then revoked everyone’s security when they were out of the building and told them they were laid off ...

Re: Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for criminal investigations

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Post by f6v »

iridium_core wrote: post #17
gbtw wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this article written by William Gibson is still relevant all these years later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_with_the_Death_Pena...

Singapore also has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, at only 1.16 children per woman. Living in a controlled and apartment-dominated country seems to crush the desire and ability to have many children.

Correlation != causation. I expected HN readers to know that.
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