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Maybe because after every paragraph you ask yourself, why didn’t they just fire them? They could have done it at any point.
At most big companies firing people is a lengthy process. Also firing someone under 12 months into their first "real" job after graduating looks very bad.
My Experience at Apple
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Re: My Experience at Apple
#202Posting anonymously for obvious reasons. Unlike others, I actually find this story fairly believable. When I first joined Apple, straight out of college - a good program, top three in the country - I was abused similarly. I joined a team that was on a project behind schedule. Our manager was a brusque, no-nonsense sort of dude. But he clearly had anger problems. On the team were 2 senior engineers, me, and a junior e…
Some extra tidbits that didn't make it in because the edit timer ran out: - Despite the big release and herculean efforts, both of us were paid a fraction of our target bonus. This was the day I decided to move jobs. - I eventually grew some balls and told Apple to (a) pay me 2.5x during overtime (b) hire SREs for this critical service, or (c) go fuck themselves. They chose (c), which worked alright because our servi…
This depends a lot on the situation/company. It is definitely true that in many cases it doesn't make sense to work hard. However there are situations where hard work is rewarded. Those are just probably quite rare situations after all.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
> EDIT: To the people who downvote me, seriously why ? I can't speak for others but me personally it was because you dismissed the problem then started talking about what would happen in France. Essentially the comment added nothing all said and done Edit: To the downvoters of this , naw I'm kidding. Have at it.
Why isn't his comment about France useful? That's how we improve, by seeing what others do better.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> EDIT: To the people who downvote me, seriously why ? I can't speak for others but me personally it was because you dismissed the problem then started talking about what would happen in France. Essentially the comment added nothing all said and done Edit: To the downvoters of this , naw I'm kidding. Have at it.
Why isn't his comment about France useful? That's how we improve, by seeing what others do better.
My future downvotes shall remain my little secret :)
Re: My Experience at Apple
#205It’s a long, rambling post with some fairly vague and difficult to falsify accusations. I have no connections to Apple (other than as a consumer), but I could not wade through the article enough to determine if I thought there was an actual smoking gun. I suspect the story would be much more powerful if it were 1/5 as long and stuck to the material facts.
Yeah, I wanted to read it more carefully but it seemed to be a long litany of real or perceived psychological abuse. Maybe I too missed a smoking gun. What I read described an Apple that is completely alien to me. I have never seen or even heard of anything even remotely like this team or the behavior described.
Do you call this:
> "You escaped a war zone; it is obvious you have many mental problems."
"perceived psychological abuse"?!? What the heck, the sociopathic person who said that stupid ass thing should have been fired on the spot, apparently he/she still is a manager at Apple.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#206Just keep this in mind - Anon stories like this needs to be verified by a reputable journal, newspaper, etc. Medium or Twitter doesn’t do the due diligence. Nation states can fabricate this easily. Not saying that is indeed the case, I’m asking people to stop looking at places like Substack and Medium as a source of truth, especially Anon posters. WSJ did so much diligence with the Theranos story. Years. They’ve also…
Re: My Experience at Apple
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I take everything with a grain of salt. "Trust but verify" --Ronald Reagan There used to be a saying, "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." Somehow it's been forgotten. Not saying the article is false or contrived. I'm saying we just don't know since it's anonymous, and therefore I take it with a grain of salt.
“Trust but verify” - That doesn’t work anymore. Western values are being eroded. Sadly. Sounds alarmist but I feel like the west in next decade is going to have to deal with a lot of “Distrust and ask for verification”.
If I’m reading the origin of that phrase correctly, it’s actually Russian (not Western) and Reagan borrowed it.
Re: My Experience at Apple
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I'd advise people who experience toxic workplaces or think that they are in them to consider whether they themselves are lacking in the ability to assert their own boundaries and act on those assertions when they are broken repeatedly." That's it, blame the victim.
If that is what you took from my post, you’re mistaken. People should not be emotionally abusive. But they are. They attain positions of power. Through reflection you may come to realize they are among people you consider friends or family. You can’t “fix” them, but you can learn how to handle or avoid them. Sometimes, if a person looks inward and into their past they will find a pattern of people who have taken adva…
Re: My Experience at Apple
#209Posting anonymously for obvious reasons. Unlike others, I actually find this story fairly believable. When I first joined Apple, straight out of college - a good program, top three in the country - I was abused similarly. I joined a team that was on a project behind schedule. Our manager was a brusque, no-nonsense sort of dude. But he clearly had anger problems. On the team were 2 senior engineers, me, and a junior e…
Re: My Experience at Apple
#210The best they can do in this situation is a lawsuit from multiple victims, former employees, backed by paper trail (emails, etc.).
Edit. I'd add, that companies like Apple don't care about employee troubles, but they care about bad publicity. Call that director out, make Apple realise that he's a net negative for their PR, let Apple boot him out and destroy his reputation: with such track record and publicity, no company would want to hire him and deal with his reputation. Those who don't recognize the law, should be judged without the law.