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My Experience at Apple

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Re: My Experience at Apple

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> If Apple refuse to take actions, I will interview with major media outlets describing the experience in more details and I will release a list of all individuals involved from senior management to the HR director and all the evidence as public record.

Seems like the author is going to expose more details about his story including names if things do not change at Apple. I just wonder, how will he know? He is not working at apple any more.

Re: My Experience at Apple

#92

Just keep this in mind - Anon stories like this needs to be verified by a reputable journal, newspaper, etc. Medium or Twitter doesn’t do the due diligence. Nation states can fabricate this easily. Not saying that is indeed the case, I’m asking people to stop looking at places like Substack and Medium as a source of truth, especially Anon posters. WSJ did so much diligence with the Theranos story. Years. They’ve also…

> I take everything with a grain of salt. "Trust but verify" --Ronald Reagan There used to be a saying, "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." Somehow it's been forgotten. Not saying the article is false or contrived. I'm saying we just don't know since it's anonymous, and therefore I take it with a grain of salt.

“Trust but verify” - That doesn’t work anymore. Western values are being eroded. Sadly.

Sounds alarmist but I feel like the west in next decade is going to have to deal with a lot of “Distrust and ask for verification”.

Re: My Experience at Apple

#93

For anyone experiencing workplace harassment, this article is a great example of what not to do. Instead, document everything happening to you with evidence, speak with HR about incidents as they arise, and if they don't take action, seek legal counsel. Doing anything else will paint you in a bad light.

It seems like that's what she was doing? At the end, she mentions that she has documented these events, and is asking Apple to step forward now and take responsibility or she'll take it to the press.

Re: My Experience at Apple

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does Apple not have manager feedback mechanisms? My manager left me out of the first review cycle, but at the end of the second review cycle I did leave a review of the manager. By this time he had left our team though. I don't think it did anything as he continued to rise through the ranks.

Would it not be appropriate to contact said managers (new) manager directly in this case?

Not to speak for the OP, but cross-team HR situations at Apple don't exactly play well. I don't think jumping the chain of command so to speak to contact a manager's manager ever actually works.

Re: My Experience at Apple

#95
I have belonged to teams with abusive elements, and it certainly felt similar to what the author describes (while not nearly to the same degree, and for that I feel for them).

Approaching HR or higher ups at the company doesn't feel like an approach that is likely to bear fruit. It sucks, because it should, but reality is that you're likely to be labelled a problem — especially if it's your word against a team that is as closely knit as this one is described.

I have to wonder whether gritting your teeth and trying to get through it is a better approach (that is, if you want to stay). There is something about being friendly, eager, unemotional, and unopinionated that tends to placate the jerks.

You only have to do this as long as it takes to escape to a more emotionally supportive situation. A couple good review cycles, and you can wave goodbye.

I realize that this may not be possible depending on your situation. Just an anecdote.

In any case, I hope the author lands on their feet. Don't let it get you down.

Re: My Experience at Apple

#96

Why didn’t the manager just fire this person, they could have at any time?

You can’t fire an employee at any time in California without good reason. You need to build a case against the employee, that’s why they were put on a PIP. Either way the manager is insane in this story so I’m not sure what their motivation is.

Not sure why you think this. You can fire anyone whenever you want for any or no reason in the state of California. The only exceptions are when you have a written or implied contract that makes you not “at-will”. The best way to be an exception to “at-will” in California is to be paid in advance.

Re: My Experience at Apple

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the rest was vague enough (and it only would be if this was a very common set of experiences), there was a screenshot of a 1-on-1 meeting time and room , so the anonymity ship has sailed.

The meeting was deleted afterwards. It’s mentioned right there in the post.

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Re: My Experience at Apple

#98
post #91

> If Apple refuse to take actions, I will interview with major media outlets describing the experience in more details and I will release a list of all individuals involved from senior management to the HR director and all the evidence as public record. Seems like the author is going to expose more details about his story including names if things do not change at Apple. I just wonder, how will he know? He is not wor…

There are enough details here that any halfway competent person in HR can decode who this was with company records in about 20 minutes.

If they want this to be quiet, they are very able to reach out. Or not.

Re: My Experience at Apple

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Posting anonymously for obvious reasons. Unlike others, I actually find this story fairly believable. When I first joined Apple, straight out of college - a good program, top three in the country - I was abused similarly. I joined a team that was on a project behind schedule. Our manager was a brusque, no-nonsense sort of dude. But he clearly had anger problems. On the team were 2 senior engineers, me, and a junior e…

I also worked for Apple and I had a very similar experience. Management was brutal and abusive from my immediate manager to all the way up to and including the VP level. For example even though vacation hours were accrued I never got to use them unless I wanted to endure the verbal backlash of abandoning the team and my responsibilities. When the holidays came around the director would email everyone reminding us there's a stipend for working through the holidays but in reality it pays less than our normal salary and was a means to justify not taking time off. A variant of Stockholm syndrome made me appreciate the clever design of having a convenient cash out vacation days button.

In the end the team was meet with a hostile takeover; everyone was merged into another team working on something similar with new management. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. A good number of people ended up leaving the company shortly after that.

One more thing, you can also include me as another data point for getting pay doubled after leaving Apple.

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