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We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by camjohnson26 »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #48
raverbashing wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All countries are doing these groups first, of course Israel is probably the country doing it the fastest so I agree, we should see the results faster. And I agree with the topic, better 2 people somewhat immune "now" than half with the full vaccine immunity.

There’s actually a lot of variety in the priority order. Other than healthcare workers the following groups will be prioritized above age 65+ in Massachusetts 1. First responders 2. Nursing home residents 3. Homeless 4. Incarcerated 5. 2+ comorbidities 6. Top priority essential workers 7. Teachers 8. One comorbidity (Check out your state here https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/covid-va... )

40% of all deaths in the US have been nursing home residents.

Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by augustt »

alex_duf wrote: post #56
myth_drannon wrote: post #54

Canada is the slowest among G7. vaccines administered per 100 people: • Canada at 0.14 • United States at 0.59 • United Kingdom at 1.18 • Bahrain at 3.23 • Israel at 4.37

where did you find these figures? I've been trying to find some reliable source to keep an eye on it and I haven't been very successful so far

this one is also good https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...

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Post by gpm »

myth_drannon wrote: post #54

Canada is the slowest among G7. vaccines administered per 100 people: • Canada at 0.14 • United States at 0.59 • United Kingdom at 1.18 • Bahrain at 3.23 • Israel at 4.37

Huh? The G7 is Canada (0.14), France (no data), Germany (0.05), Italy (no data), Japan (no data), the United Kingdom (1.18) and the United States (0.59).

We only have data on 4/7 in the G7 (at least at [1] and in your comment) and Canada isn't even last amongst those 4.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by cperciva »

myth_drannon wrote: post #54

Canada is the slowest among G7. vaccines administered per 100 people: • Canada at 0.14 • United States at 0.59 • United Kingdom at 1.18 • Bahrain at 3.23 • Israel at 4.37

You know that the G7 also includes France, Germany, Italy, and Japan, right? Which are all below Canada's vaccination level so far.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

bluenose69 wrote: post #19

It seems reasonable for different provinces to take different approaches, since their disease patterns vary significantly. Ontario and Québec have endured many weeks of increasing numbers of diagnosed infections per day, whilst the other provinces have seen decreases. The absolute incidences also vary between provinces, letting some test-and-trace cases more easily than others.

I would take Alberta's latest numbers with a giant grain of salt. Testing rates are awful there right now.

Too bad my family there used the numbers as an excuse to break quarantine. Enraging.

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Post by ubercore »

danarmak wrote: post #57
selljamhere wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see any arguments in those slides about trying to “even out black vs white ppl deaths metric.” Social inequality is one of several factors included in their ethical and logistical plan, but interpreting that as an implied black vs white issue seems like a very uncharitable view of the author’s intent.

Page 31, table row "mitigate health inequities" says: An upside (green) of vaccinating essential workers (non-healthcare) first: "Racial and ethnic minority groups disproportionately represented in many essential industries. ~1/4 of essential workers live in low-income families." A downside (red) of vaccinating adults age >65 first: "Racial and ethnic minority groups under-represented among adults >65". The next page…

They don't say ethics outweighs science, do they? They're just two axes on which to evaluate the model. You're coming to some interesting conclusions from those slides, unless I'm misreading something.

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Post by ogre_codes »

paulgb wrote: post #14
ars wrote: post #5

Summary: The title makes it seem like they are talking about medical professionals vs general public. But actually they are talking about reserving second doses for those who got the first dose, and the article says it's better to actually administer those doses, even if it means a delay on the second dose for people.

I hope that if people don’t bother to read the article they at least see your comment. Most of the comments here so far are debating the merits of what they assume from the title rather than the text of the article.

When a pay-walled story is posted, the number of people who read the story drops significantly.

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Post by breck »

helge9210 wrote: post #53
inglor_cz wrote: post #8

Israelis give shots to medical workers and oldest citizens first. This should drive down the death rate pretty fast. If this approach works, Covid-related deaths in Israel should visibly drop by the end of January.

> This should drive down the death rate pretty fast. You can't drive the death rate that didn't rise in the first place. In Israel people are dying with COVID-19, not because of it. We are yet to see someone die from COVID-19 who is not terminally ill, fat and diabetic, immunosuppressed (after organ transplantation or cancer treatment) or very old.

This comment was flagged so I vouched for it.

You may disagree with it but it’s a reasonable position.

Look at the official moderna data from the FDA. The placebo and vaccine groups of 15k have the exact same death rate. So according to the very dataset used to approve the vaccine, there is a strong case that COVID isn’t killing people, rather it’s their underlying conditions. And curing COVID will not save most of these people, it just buys a couple months or years.

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Post by colmvp »

bluenose69 wrote: post #19

It seems reasonable for different provinces to take different approaches, since their disease patterns vary significantly. Ontario and Québec have endured many weeks of increasing numbers of diagnosed infections per day, whilst the other provinces have seen decreases. The absolute incidences also vary between provinces, letting some test-and-trace cases more easily than others.

The system seems kind of weird. My friend works at a hospital in one of those provinces and they are doing a quasi-lottery system to distribute the vaccine to their employees. Users have to login to a system, pick a time beginning at a certain time of day, and if there are no availability well tough luck. My friend was aghast that they weren't prioritizing employees most likely to intubate patients
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