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We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by sradman »

Ontario changes COVID-19 vaccination plans after slowing rollout [1]:

> Ontario has changed its COVID-19 vaccination plan to give a first dose to as many people as possible and no longer hold second doses in reserve

General Rick Hillier (retired) to Provide an Update at Queen's Park [2] today at 11am EST which is currently shown in the upcoming "Live" tab of CPAC [3].

[1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-chang...

[2] https://news.ontario.ca/en/advisory/59836/general-rick-hilli...

[3] https://www.cpac.ca/en/

Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by newen »

paulgb wrote: post #12
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #3

All things being equal, perhaps. But first doses are medical professionals and other critical workers. Guaranteeing they will be here for the long haul is another worthy goal. I'm not sure 'spray and pray' is a well-thought-out approach. Its perhaps another internet pundit who can take one number and divide by another number and become an instant expert.

The issue is not who gets the vaccine, but whether to hold the second doses in reserve or distribute them as first doses and use later-arriving doses as second doses. The former has the obvious advantage of vaccinating more people quickly, but runs the risk that if the second doses don’t arrive on time the effects of the first dose will wear off. Edit: I originally used the phrase “back to square one” but I agree wit…

The first dose is already 50% effective, so you are not back to square one. The second dose also doesn't necessarily need to arrive precisely on time.

Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #21
Lewton wrote: post #10

This seems very Canada specific, is any other country doing it like this? I'm fairly sure neither the US nor most european countries are doing this (I mean, Canada seems to be the only place that are reserving the second doses) Edit: This article is clearly being upvoted based on title alone

Tony Blair suggested it

That famous epidemiologist.

Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by cryptica »

jtsiskin wrote: post #22
cryptica wrote: post #4

Agreed, we need to incapacitate... Um, I mean inoculate the peasants as swiftly as possible so that they don't start to become suspicious... Um, I mean paranoid. Damn it, where is Bill Gates when you need him? He knows how to reassure the peasants. Anyway, I think we should start with young fit adults first, then do old people and children last...

Is this a serious belief you have?

Mostly satire to summarize the current mood of distrust and paranoia.

I think that the people at the top have been getting more crooked and reckless so the trend is definitely getting there but I don't think we're there yet but I'm not 100% sure.

It wouldn't be totally uncharacteristic of those in power in any case, just look at WW1 and WW2 (70+ years ago so perhaps we're overdue for a culling).

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Post by jancsika »

I wish there were a "flag" button but for the ensuing low-effort, low information discussion you know will come for a story clearly outside the expertise of anyone who posts here.

flags as such

If I come back and read any comment here that leaves me with more knowledge than when I arrived, I promise in the future to reward HN by donating 4 horror stories about uncles working union jobs.

Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by dghughes »

bluenose69 wrote: post #19

It seems reasonable for different provinces to take different approaches, since their disease patterns vary significantly. Ontario and Québec have endured many weeks of increasing numbers of diagnosed infections per day, whilst the other provinces have seen decreases. The absolute incidences also vary between provinces, letting some test-and-trace cases more easily than others.

>..whilst the other provinces have seen decreases.

Nova Scotia had a big jump mostly Halifax since it's the most populated part of the province.

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Post by hanniabu »

formercoder wrote: post #28
Exmoor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had read that the USA is/was initially ensuring there were two doses onsite for each person vaccinated, until they felt the supply chain had proven to be consistent. I'm having trouble sourcing that though.

I saw that too and it makes sense. Begin with the most conservative approach and transition to just in time as confidence builds.

Yup, you don't want to send out a lot and having doses going bad because they were sitting around too long or some other issue.

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Post by raverbashing »

inglor_cz wrote: post #8

Israelis give shots to medical workers and oldest citizens first. This should drive down the death rate pretty fast. If this approach works, Covid-related deaths in Israel should visibly drop by the end of January.

All countries are doing these groups first, of course Israel is probably the country doing it the fastest so I agree, we should see the results faster.

And I agree with the topic, better 2 people somewhat immune "now" than half with the full vaccine immunity.

Re: We should administer Covid-19 vaccines as fast as possible, not reserve doses

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Post by bryanlarsen »

bluenose69 wrote: post #19

It seems reasonable for different provinces to take different approaches, since their disease patterns vary significantly. Ontario and Québec have endured many weeks of increasing numbers of diagnosed infections per day, whilst the other provinces have seen decreases. The absolute incidences also vary between provinces, letting some test-and-trace cases more easily than others.

That's interesting phrasing. Ontario & Québec have increasing numbers but they still have lower per capita case rates than western provinces.
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