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Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by Shank »

abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

> I don’t see too much ethical differences between selling users privacy for ads and aggressively taking advantage of the average consumer and trying to lure them more and more into more paid subscriptions (many which they don’t need and also are overpriced, but since it’s a monthly charge it is harder to tell).

If you buy something, you're consciously making a transaction. You're handing money to someone in exchange for a good. In contrast, Facebook entices users to join their platform, and then subtly collects analytics about users through a variety of ways across the internet without any indication that they're there, save for some very subtle fine print.

I don't see how consciously exchanging money is even remotely close to ad-tracking networks. If anything, there should be at least the same level of friction for tracking as there is with a normal transaction -- which is what Apple is doing here.

Yes, Apple is totally motivated to push this, but in a capitalist society, what's your proposed alternative?

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by st1x7 »

birdyrooster wrote: post #14
juancn wrote: post #4

The idea of doing a public campaign over this is so myopic that I cannot fathom the thinking about it. Who’s going to rally for Facebook? Did they really expected Apple to change this? The ad should scare investors much more than Apple’s move.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

I don't know if this generalizes across the company. They still have brilliant technical people, some of the best ML researchers, have open-sourced increbidly popular and influential frameworks like React and PyTorch. Just because their upper management or their business model might suck doesn't mean that they don't have great people working there.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by peterangular »

werkjohann wrote: post #23
birdyrooster wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

Anecdotal, but I’ve seen several folks get offers from FB and other big tech, and I’ve seen FB throw much more money at people. They also have better perks. I think they know they need to use money to overcome their reputation.

Sure, but it's still not enough.

FB recruiters are super aggressive and I have zero qualms unloading on them for their BS behavior, every. time. I've asked five (5!) times to be taken off their list and added to a blacklist for candidates and I still get emails, calls, and LinkedIn messages. The first two "buzz-off" messages were polite, but now I'm just downright rude and respond with my actual opinion on their employer (and subsequently what I think about them working for that employer).

Facebook is a bad company that does bad things. If you work there, you're gross.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by mjfern »

abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

Privacy aligns with Apple’s revenue model (selling hardware) but not with Facebook’s (selling ads). This is the only reason you should have faith that Apple will work to protect your privacy, while Facebook will work to undermine it.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by jcfrei »

This isn't the end of facebook. These privacy changes will affect all social networks and they all run a free membership model. It will certainly change their profitability but facebook is earning so much money there's a long way to go before this becomes an existential problem. If anything these new changes might eliminate some of facebook's competitors because they will have a much harder time to grow their user base without the additional revenue from spying on their users.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by keepper »

“Article continues after video.”

Isn't it a bit ironic that a magazine who’s page is PLASTERED by advertising and data collecting beacons is claiming the model is dead...

Has the concept of journalistic integrity gone by the way side? Do as I say, read these 10 things that you didn’t know about famous celebrity?

It’s in fashion to gang up on Facebook, it’s a lot harder to actually analyze the Ad market space, realize how we got here, and where the true dangers lie. But yea, that would take research... and well, journalistic integrity.

( newspapers didn’t adapt to the new media in the late 90s and they’ve been suffering ever since.. it’s sad.. but clamoring for the old days of TV and Papers domination of advertising is naïveté. Apple just wants to be the new network.. that’s all.)

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by rantwasp »

halukakin wrote: post #25
rantwasp wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in this instance, what measure did Apple exactly take? give users the option of opting out?

If that option was there in the very first place a significant portion of the marketing spend wouldn't have happened throughout the years. Now that the market is well established cutting Facebook off is a good strategy for Apple as this will probably move a significant chunk of marketing budget their way. Now Facebook's fate is collateral damage.

the option was there for quite a while now. it’s not new. now the developers of apps need to tell you the shady stuff they are doing.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by powvans »

birdyrooster wrote: post #38
amf12 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator This is not entirely true. I have seen excellent people go to Facebook because they gave out the highest offers. Now whether they get people with good ideas is something I don't know.

Those people won’t be excellent for long in a Dead Sea.

I've never seen this comparison before. Are you suggesting that Facebook is similar to an endorheic basin?

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by protoman3000 »

The proliferation of spyware has become unbearable. You cannot anymore use any app or service - even the paid ones - without having to worry that any of your data is being collected. And no, reading through piles of TOS and privacy disclaimers is not gonna solve this.

Users must gain control back and opt-in must be the default.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by newbie578 »

Wow, now this was a painful article to read. The author spreading his opinion like fact when he has not a trounce of research or objectivity in the article.

I do not like Facebook, but if I had to choose between Facebook or Apple, I'll choose Facebook every time.

I especially dislike Apple for it's hypocritical behaviour, users need to be aware of companies tracking them, unless it's us...

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