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Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by birdyrooster »

birdyrooster wrote: post #14
juancn wrote: post #4

The idea of doing a public campaign over this is so myopic that I cannot fathom the thinking about it. Who’s going to rally for Facebook? Did they really expected Apple to change this? The ad should scare investors much more than Apple’s move.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

Not sure why mtgx comment is marked as dead but he is right about John Carmack. What an “apolitical” tool. A brilliant and useful idiot. I would punch him in the face if I could.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by Razengan »

abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

> I’ve used MacBooks for the past 10 years, my next computer will 100% be a Linux.

Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by werkjohann »

birdyrooster wrote: post #14
juancn wrote: post #4

The idea of doing a public campaign over this is so myopic that I cannot fathom the thinking about it. Who’s going to rally for Facebook? Did they really expected Apple to change this? The ad should scare investors much more than Apple’s move.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

Anecdotal, but I’ve seen several folks get offers from FB and other big tech, and I’ve seen FB throw much more money at people. They also have better perks.

I think they know they need to use money to overcome their reputation.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by abhinav22 »

ndiscussion wrote: post #19
mhh__ wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly the same situation, but didn't Steve Jobs threaten to kill Dropbox after they said no - i.e. note that Dropbox still exist?

Dropbox is struggling to survive and has resorted to adding "teams" features that no one really wants to live up to their valuation.

Dropbox IMO is a terrible organization. Vastly overpriced and made it very difficult for us to cancel.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by halukakin »

rantwasp wrote: post #12
lmedinas wrote: post #10

another end of the world blah blah blah article. The truth is both are still doing extremely good and FB for sure will not end here. On top of this im extremely disappointed that Apple has the power to take these measures and regulate other companies within their Walled garden. What is US and World identities doing ? Why does it need to be another company with a Monopoly to regulate other ?

in this instance, what measure did Apple exactly take? give users the option of opting out?

If that option was there in the very first place a significant portion of the marketing spend wouldn't have happened throughout the years.

Now that the market is well established cutting Facebook off is a good strategy for Apple as this will probably move a significant chunk of marketing budget their way.

Now Facebook's fate is collateral damage.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by grogenaut »

Razengan wrote: post #2

Everyone that "declare war" on Apple either fades into obscurity soon after their 15 minutes of fame, or becomes Apple: https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/ki1rvt/samsung_began... "Becoming Apple" in Facebook and Epic's case may mean their own app stores, and both of them are already sort of on their way there.

Google, Android, netflix, Amazon, spotify, garmin, bose, sony, steam, dell, samsung, lenovo, all seem fine.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by colinmhayes »

abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

The issue is supporting companies in general instead of the actions they take. I think this is a great move by apple to educate people on the privacy they are sacrificing with apps. That doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. Being a fanboy seems like it's almost always a mistake as it will just lead to illogical support of decisions that harm you.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by birdyrooster »

werkjohann wrote: post #23
birdyrooster wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

Anecdotal, but I’ve seen several folks get offers from FB and other big tech, and I’ve seen FB throw much more money at people. They also have better perks. I think they know they need to use money to overcome their reputation.

In terms of pay, having compared offers before, one would be better of at Facebook than Google but tied with Apple. Apple has less perks but more monetary compensation to make up for it because their stock isn’t nearly the liability and Apple actually releases new products and services instead of sucking their existing property dry. Who would want to work at Facebook? There is literally nothing your company does worth getting excited to come to work for.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by brink »

abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

I switched to Linux last week. It's nice.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by qz2 »

abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

I don’t get the charger whining from people. If you add the price of the charger and the wired earphones to the price of the phone then with inflation it’s cheaper than the handsets were in 2018.

I’ve got 7 Apple chargers here as well. This is a completely rational decision which is transitional while we all move to USB-C slowly.

Your general point is right but it’s not the state of the company you need to look at but the direction they are travelling and Apple appears to be heading in the least wrong direction.

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