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Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

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Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

#31
I remember a story about how when competitors opened the first iPhone, they were surprised to see how the entire phone was more or less a battery with a screen attached to it.

I do wonder if Apple building a car would generate some sort of similar epiphany, related to batteries or not.

Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

#32
If this is true, it's interesting to see the difference in approach between Google/Waymo and Apple. Google is pretty clear that they don't want to build cars, but rather develop sensor suite and software for self driving that can be installed in partnership with manufactures. Producing cars, on the other hand, is a much more complex operation than producing consumer electronics, even though Apple can afford it. Battery, setting up service centers, repairs and so on are complex. But I really hope they can pull it off.

Not to mention when it comes to self driving technology Apple probably lags Waymo by a number of years.

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#33

FAANGs really need to expand into more and more industries if they expect to continue their hypergrowth. Apple, at 6% of SPY, especially.

I don't mind that when the industries they're expanding into are uncompetitive and controlled by a small # of incumbents.

When companies with the resources of a FAANG enter industries like that, they're able to make it price competitive quickly.

For example, what Netflix did to the cable industry.

Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

#34
I'm curious as to why they would enter it. Sure, they have Carplay, which seems to be better than other in vehicle UX systems other than Tesla, but the automotive industry is littered with companies that simply couldn't hack it even if they had a lot of money behind them at one point. Plus, the auto industry is very low margin when compared to tech.

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The Tesla Model 3 already embodies the minimalism, software focus, and vertical integration that have driven Apple's success in the phone market. Right down to the custom SoC and capacitive touchscreen in lieu of buttons. I'm really curious what Apple's differentiators will be. Also, 2024 still seems aggressive to deploy self-driving for real.

>I'm really curious what Apple's differentiators will be.

There's room for more than one car company like this. If Apple brings high quality, tight fit and finish, elegant design, software focus, vertical integration (including their new M1 processor tech), logistics support (charging station network, maintenance, etc), and "next-level batteries" to the mix, then I'm sure they'll find space in the market.

If Apple can execute with electric cars as they've executed with consumer electronics, then they'll be competing not just with Tesla, but directly with Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.

Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

#36
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The Tesla Model 3 already embodies the minimalism, software focus, and vertical integration that have driven Apple's success in the phone market. Right down to the custom SoC and capacitive touchscreen in lieu of buttons. I'm really curious what Apple's differentiators will be. Also, 2024 still seems aggressive to deploy self-driving for real.

Utilizing the knowledge they've learned in the last 10 years, by developing their own SoC, their machine learning efforts, and integrating their product ecosystem into a vehicle could be a pretty big differentiator.

Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

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Apple has been in and out of the car game for a few years now, with executives coming and going. What I'm about to say will be as meaningful as this hear-say article, but I feel that Apple management, and its shareholders, have no idea what it means to build a car. Things like this need 100% commitment from the management, Cook just doesn't seem like the guy to do it.

Apple could outright buy GM or Ford with cash.

Just did a quick check. Apple can buy GM AND Ford with cash, and still have nearly half their reserve left over. $191.83 billion cash on hand end of October[0], GM is 59B market cap[1], and Ford is $35B market cap.

I guess there is a premium you pay when acquiring a public company, but still astounding numbers.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/apple-q4-cash-hoard-heres-ho...

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=GM+market+cap

[2] https://www.google.com/search?q=Ford+market+cap

Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple is one company I would trust with entering other verticals especially in the hardware space. While phones!=cars, I wouldn't put it beyond their team to deliver on this.

> I wouldn't put it beyond their team to deliver on this. Or beyond their hundreds of billions of dollars in cash to hire a team needed to deliver on this.

Their cash on hand is higher than the market cap of any automaker other than Toyota, Tesla, and Volkswagen.

They spent about 3/4 the market cap of Mazda to buy Beats.

Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources

#39
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm really curious what their differentiators will be Extremely good build quality? Accessories notwithstanding, most of their products look and feel like they were built extremely well. Even their failures like the butterfly keyboard looked and felt like they were built to extremely tight tolerances.

Tolerances and build quality weren't the problem with the butterfly keyboard. It was just a fundamentally flawed design that was not durable enough for real world use.

I can't imagine that it didn't stand up to very extensive lab testing, before getting approved for mass production across Apple's laptops. It would be very interesting to hear some inside accounts about what went wrong there. I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn that the mass-produced parts didn't quite measure up to the prototypes, whether because of less consistent materials, part manufacturing defects, slightly off assembly, ....

To be fair to the designers, the height budget they were working with is an extremely hard target to hit for a part that gets as much physical abuse as a keyboard. I was pretty impressed with how passable the keyboard was for typing on, given the height constraint. (However, I was not impressed with the dropped actuations, double actuations, inconsistent key feel after a few months use, broken keycap that my 1-year-old keeps removing and hiding around the house, etc. Overall it ended up being a catastrophically bad design based on poor reliability.)

The biggest problem at company scale was that they couldn't revert to something like their previous keyboard in a shorter time frame. The lesson is to avoid completely locking the whole rest of the system design around a brand new untested part for which there is no alternative. It would have been better to test the new keyboard design in a context like an external iPad keyboard where if it turned out to be a dud there would be an obvious path to an alternative, and customers wouldn't be left with a broken $2000 machine.

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